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What normal sounds like...in musical performances...1939 vs. 2024

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:53 pm on Mar 30, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

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I remember watching that video sometime back.

Author: wrdomerson (2262 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:31 am on Mar 31, 2025
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It's a nice reminder that not all technological advances are actually good.

As Jim notes below, the marketability of a vocalist now is more important than how well they sing, because they can fix that in the studio. I give heavy blame on that to television and the music video. It makes you wonder how many of the older greats would have made it big nowadays.


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Good post. Thank you.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 7:36 am on Mar 31, 2025
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Autotune and the death of session musicians have ruined music.

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 6:57 am on Mar 31, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Drum machines are usually known as the death of session musicians.

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:13 am on Mar 31, 2025
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But in this case of auto tune for voices the vocalist can have all the right or merchandiseable qualities but doesn’t have true vocal talent, auto tune fixes it all. I don’t think it killed session musicians. It just gave producers more control over their merchandise.
It’s more important to have a wide octave range than to be on pitch.

Whitney Houston in her later years had great difficulty with pitch - no problem auto tune saved the day.

PS - I don’t think the drum machine actually killed the session musician. It may have given less talented bands
a helping hand or for artists like Trent Reznor - the Pet Shop Boys and someone like Brad Delp better access to the mainstream arts. In any event, drum machines and electronica had created a new sound. Synthesizers have broadened popular music the way that he electric guitar did.


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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Yep. It's given us many, many manufactured "stars."

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 am on Mar 31, 2025
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That clip is a brilliant example of how technology has injured the recording artist.

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:16 am on Mar 31, 2025
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It has created mediocrity as the apex of what we accept as talent.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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I'm reminded of the Britney Spears situation, from soup to nuts.

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 am on Mar 31, 2025
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Obviously, everyone's familiar with her breakdown and the issues that ensued, with the discussion around her voice being "gone" after the years of substance issues and health issues (mental and otherwise). But the reality is that she could really never sing. All of it going back to the late 90's was a product of voice-synthesizing equipment and dubbing. I don't believe she ever "lost" her voice....it was a creation.

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And to Clarkson who is roundly considered a good voice is doctored as well.

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 11:50 am on Mar 31, 2025
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Sad.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Where the hell is McSweeney when we need him on this?

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:58 pm on Mar 31, 2025
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Wait, what??? I didn't know that at all.

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:58 pm on Mar 31, 2025
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I swear that I thought she was a natural vocalist. I was unaware of this.

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I think it’s become industry standard. But yeah, she has a big voice but

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Mar 31, 2025
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she is also not pitch perfect.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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he makes an important distinction here. Vocals by talented artists rest not on a perfect note

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 12:04 am on Mar 31, 2025
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but move in and out of the note when interpreting a songwriter’s lyrics. Yesteryear with singers we talked about hitting the whole note from flat to sharp to deliver the writer’s intention. Hitting the center of the note isn’t as effective in poetry or story telling. The use of the vibrato is important here. Garland and very few others have the breath control and accuracy to hit the notes center consistently. Female singers I can think of - Rosemary Clooney, Ella, Nancy Lamott, Barbra Streisand are all singers who never used correcting software and never needed to. They are accurate and brilliant interpreters of song.

Today’s vocalist are in general just working on vocal gymnastics hitting ridiculous high notes with little regard for accuracy or finding a the intention of the song writer.

Outside of Broadway singers the pop artist is more of an invention than a talent. A personality with a useable ability.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Generally agree, to the extent I understand. I'm not an expert. That just makes sense.

Author: NedoftheHill (44640 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:19 am on Mar 31, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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