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Winning. Trade partners lack options, prefer negotiation over retaliation. Vietnam India come first.

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:14 am on Apr 5, 2025
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Even China now open to talk despite they anounced retaliation.

"This is why the vast majority of trading partners did not immediately retaliate and indicated a readiness to negotiate a face-saving compromise with Trump."


Trade partners lack options, prefer negotiation over retaliation
China open to talks, India and Vietnam prioritise negotiations
EU considers retaliation, seeks new trade alliances


BEIJING/BERLIN/OTTAWA, April 4 (Reuters) - U.S. trading partners have few good options in their trade war with President Donald Trump, other than to sue for peace.
Hit by 10%-50% tariffs on their exports to the world's dominant economic superpower, most lack the firepower to hit back or the political will to slug it out, say government officials, economists and trade experts.
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This is why the vast majority of trading partners did not immediately retaliate and indicated a readiness to negotiate a face-saving compromise with Trump. Even among those that have taken counter measures, the door was left ajar to talks.

From China, which on Friday slapped extra tariffs of 34% on all U.S. goods, to Canada, which has taken limited retaliation, nations are tipped to come to the negotiating table sooner or later, given U.S. consumption is so important globally -- two-thirds bigger than EU consumption, according to World Bank data.
Other than talks, governments have limited options to protect their export industries and broader economies.
These include spending on state aid or on broader economic stimulus -- Spain announced a €14 billion ($15.5 billion) aid package on Thursday -- or looking to greener trade pastures. German officials are eyeing up Mexico, Canada and India.
But for a world already deep in state debt after years of pandemic-era stimulus spending, it will be tough for some to fund the subsidies and other financial aid required to stave off economic growth downgrades, profit warnings and layoffs.

Economists expect Beijing to unleash more fiscal stimulus to support its economy, which sells goods worth more than $400 billion a year to the United States. It will also try to develop other export markets, according to Chinese policy advisers.
"We need to strengthen our coordination with ASEAN, Japan, South Korea, EU and UK," said one Chinese adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.

Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs took the tax imposed on Chinese exports since his January inauguration to 54%.
Even with China's economic armoury -- its financial might, domination of critical mineral and metal production for advanced industries and centrality to global supply chains -- a negotiated truce is ultimately expected, the trade adviser said.
That could take a while, given the enmity between Washington and Beijing, though there is speculation that Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping could meet in the United States in June.

ECONOMIC SHOCKS
Countries lacking China's power may reach the table sooner.
India, hit with a 27% tariff, is already in talks and is not considering retaliation, said a government official. It had made concessions to Washington ahead of the latest tariffs and it is open to cutting tariffs on more than half of U.S. imports worth $23 billion in a first-phase deal, government sources said.
Vietnam, too, is expected to prioritise negotiations, with limited scope for subsidies and trade diversification. It could try leveraging the exposure that some U.S. manufacturers have to Vietnam to pressure the Trump administration, according to Leif Schneider, head of international law firm Luther in Vietnam.

But, he added, "Vietnam will likely prioritise negotiations to avoid an economic shock."
Hit by a 46% tariff, it ranks as the sixth-biggest exporter to the United States, thanks to its success as an offshoring option for manufacturers diversifying away from China.
Southeast Asia in general has nowhere to run. Its efforts to deepen trade with China, Japan and other big neighbours have led to an alphabet soup of trade groupings which facilitate trade but fall well short of compensating for a U.S. trade shock.
Ahead of Trump's announcement, China, Japan and South Korea held their first economic dialogue in five years, seeking to boost regional trade. But there is scepticism it will go far, not least because these three are exporting powerhouses, not net contributors to global demand.
LAYOFFS HAVE STARTED
The European Union, already feeling abandoned by the Trump administration over security, said the common market of 450 million people was ready to retaliate against Trump's 20% tariff against the bloc and also look to other markets.
"Forging alliances ... is the order of the day," German Economy Minister Robert Habeck said, singling out Mexico, Canada and India where closer trade relations would make sense.
Trade deals can take time, though -- time that Europe and others don't have. The EU and South America's Mercosur bloc talked for 25 years before unveiling a free trade deal in December. Trump's reciprocal tariffs take effect on Wednesday.
It also takes time to rewire an economy to cope with global protectionism, which is what German economists say is the right response. Structural reform, such as more competition and tech investment, is preferable to state stimulus, they say.
"There is not much that either fiscal or monetary policy can do in the short term to offset the trade shock," Deutsche Bank economist Robin Winkler said.
German bank Berenberg says a large part of the new U.S. tariffs can be rolled back in negotiations, with Europe offering concessions such as more contracts to U.S. defence firms.
Canada was spared additional tariffs this week but it is reeling from earlier, 25% U.S. tariffs on its auto, steel and aluminium exports. Canada is splurging on subsidies, funded by its own retaliatory tariffs, but the pain is still being felt.
European carmaker Stellantis NV (STLAM.MI), opens new tab said on Thursday it would pause production at a Canadian assembly plant. And companies have reported that they have already started layoffs and pivoting towards newer markets.
Some nations have complained to the global trade referee, the World Trade Organisation, but that is judged a feeble option by trade experts, not least because Trump paralysed its top appeals bench in his first term. Nor is the Geneva body seen as a likely venue for renegotiating tariff disputes.
"If they keep pushing protectionism and sticking to this one-sided perspective, I don't see them coming back to the WTO for multilateral negotiations anytime soon," said Marco Molina, of consulting firm Molina & Associates and former deputy permanent representative of Guatemala to the WTO.
"And that's a real shame because the WTO was literally designed to address issues like these."


Link: https://www.reuters.com/markets/nowhere-hide-trump-tariffs-leave-trading-partners-cornered-2025-04-04/

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Thread Level: 2

Hopefully shit-for-brains will declare victory and end this madness

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:04 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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And the moron element like you who do not understand economics will think it is indeed a glorious victory for America. Details are unimportant.

Thread Level: 3

You want free trade, right? This is a way to get it, we didn't have it before.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:14 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Whether or not this works out, remains to be seen. But when allies have higher tariffs on us than we do on them, it's a problem. Hopefully it's no tariffs at all (with allies).

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The TPP would have been a better way to get there.

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:50 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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And this is not about making trade free. That’s ridiculous.

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So you don't believe in free trade among allies?

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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None of the leftys will answer that.

Author: PaND (2636 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 1:13 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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They believe that only we should be tariffed.

Thread Level: 7

They are also in favor of the Federal Govt ripping off taxpayers.

Author: LanceManion (7665 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 1:38 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 8

I’ve been dealing with this shit for years.

Author: PaND (2636 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 1:50 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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They do not understand manufacturing in the US or foreign countries.

Thread Level: 9

But they’ll tell you they are experts

Author: LanceManion (7665 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 2:26 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Riiiiiiiiight!!!!!

Author: jimbasil (52343 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 4:29 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 4

Why do you assume that blanket tariffs and bullying is "the way to get it?"

Author: conorlarkin (20790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Other nations have their own constituents. Submission is not a particularly attractive strategy.

Other nations may take their business elsewhere or flip the script as they see US markets tanking. That may give other nations leverage to dictate terms to us.

To me, relationships with our competitors (friends and foes) is very important over the long term. And we have professional trade negotiators who know the global landscape and have personal longstanding relationships with their contemporaries.

I reject the notion that Trump is more clever than the rest of the world.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 5

If only this had ever tried before and we would know the results.

Author: Frank L (64094 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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I don't like the methods, but if they work, great.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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What concerns me is that Trump may actually think that he can replace income taxes with tarrifs, a la 1865-1913. But if it is a negotiating tool to get to free trade with allies, I am for it.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Tariff-Rates_Global-Avg_02-web.jpg

Thread Level: 5

Hilarious, why do you think it was done this way?

Author: PaND (2636 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 12:40 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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All of the BS you stated does not work.

Thread Level: 2

Reuters is subscription now too?

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:56 am on Apr 5, 2025
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Didn't realize that. Edited original post by adding the whole article.

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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They’ll all come to the table eventually. China,UK & Canada may hold out longer.

Author: LanceManion (7665 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:52 am on Apr 5, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Author: PaND (2636 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Apr 5, 2025
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Of course they will capitulate. This is the simplest math in politics.

Author: MAS (21331 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:33 am on Apr 5, 2025
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They can't afford to deprive themselves of the American market. They have no choice.

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