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Trump’s actions against Harvard are 100% illegal. But he will ignore court rulings.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:55 am on Apr 17, 2025
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He is trying to take over/intimidate higher ed. This is what dictators do.

Blatantly, illegally using taxes as a weapon.

Every American should oppose this. While we still can.


Link: https://x.com/gma/status/1912832207535718771?s=46&t=kVeQeQf8ed0KokuRgfOE0g

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Thread Level: 2

with rare exceptions, there is no reason for the federal govt to give any college funding.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16206 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:41 am on Apr 17, 2025
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False and extremely stupid

Author: Death (1379 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:36 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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Tax exemption has value. Want to keep it/get Fed funding? Stay neutral. Simple.

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:27 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 3

Jesus doesn't vote. But Jesus does!

Author: Tenacious_P (968 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:47 pm on Apr 18, 2025
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Just ask Bob Jones University.

Author: Curly1918 (16436 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:30 am on Apr 17, 2025
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The shame, the shame to even have Harvard in the same sentence as Bob Jones.

Link: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/04/harvard-meet-bob-jones.php

Thread Level: 4

Sounds like Harvard may be losing it along with dozens of other schools

Author: holybull101 (10567 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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If the issue is admissions and race, they likely do lose. That’s not though what the dear leader is

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:37 am on Apr 17, 2025
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spouting off about.

He’s spouting on their curriculum. They should not lose on the academic freedom issue which is the heart of this crappy from the right.


Thread Level: 4

Yep. Sadly, ND may get swept up in this. If so, bye bye "need based tuition".

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:36 am on Apr 17, 2025
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I saw a summary that if ND loses its tax-exempt status, that translates to a $12,000 per student impact per year.

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Thread Level: 5

Only greed could possibly justify this. The endowment is $20B.

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:54 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Rule of thumb is to spend about 4% of that annually ($800MM), while a conservative annual growth is 7-8% on the endowment ($1.5B). Revenues exceed $1.5B.

Need-based scholarships for qualified students among the 13K student body should be completely unaffected. One might even question why we aren't doing more for the entire student body.


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As someone who has a daughter trying to decide on whether to attend ND, I agree.

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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The provision of only need-based aid rather than assisting all qualified students weighs heavily on my daughter and is making her decision to attend ND quite hard.

From her perspective, and she's more social justice oriented than I am, it's wasteful to spend ND money when you can spend a fraction of that and attend a fairly comparable school offering significant money. She likes the idea of legacy, but is legacy worth the premium and is it morally responsible?

From my perspective, and I'm much more materialistic, I view it as the opportunity cost of the money and what else she could do with it to launch her life.

Knowing some guys who work for ND, they are true believers (not unlike the people who work at Disney), and rather than recognize the greed for what it is, they view it as in furtherance of the mission.  


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There was a general philosophy by the Administration when I was there.

Author: jakers (13884 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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Mind you, it wasn't approaching $80K per year, but inflation-adjusted was still pretty expensive. But they weren't very generous with the "need" side of things. They tended to give just enough to make it possible for a student to attend, if they qualified from a household income standpoint. This was based on the idea that it was a special opportunity to attend N.D., and that there should be some level of "sacrifice" for everyone who sent their kids there.

One can agree or disagree on that, but I think part of the motivation was so that we didn't have people lined up to attend simply based on low-cost priority. I can somewhat understand.


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I think the admin has opened up much more on the need side, but remains careful with "need"

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 6:36 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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To your point, I get it. I also think that $400k all in for a non-ivy degree is a lot of money, especially for someone who might want to go to law school. Fortunately, we're in a position where we put away money for this so she has options.

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Thread Level: 7

She shouldn’t go then. Easy peasy.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:32 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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I told my kid to go to Tulane for close to free, party for 3 years, make law review and marry a rich chick. ND has the worst merit scholly offers. He didn’t listen.

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Thread Level: 8

You gave the right advice. The allure of the school is hard to pass up, but it's not an Ivy.

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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It’s not. But he doesn’t regret it.

Author: Frank L (64662 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:02 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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Got the job he wanted and easily makes the coin he needs.

He’s also conservative and didn’t want to go to indoctrination and not law school. He got a good mix of the different sides at Du Lac.


Thread Level: 10

Yeah, same for me - met the wife, provided a good living, etc. But it is the principle, dammit.

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Apr 17, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Here’s the best part of the Harvard kerfuffle

Author: Curly1918 (16436 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:04 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Link: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Bb2EK9qWt/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Thread Level: 3

Do you how you can tell if someone went to Harvard?

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:06 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Don’t worry, he’ll tell you.

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Thread Level: 4

Hell. I brag that I got wait listed by Harvard.

Author: Curly1918 (16436 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:11 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Of course that was way way before DEI admissions and remedial math courses.

But then I had a legal college who was admitted to play football... which he never mentioned on his CV.


Thread Level: 2

Hilarious, were you asleep during the sleepy Joe regime?

Author: PaND (2718 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 9:02 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Lawfare after lawfare.

Thread Level: 3

It didn’t happen but why stop retelling a favorite lie?

Author: jimbasil (52631 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:31 am on Apr 17, 2025
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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