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His chosen name — Leo — reaches back to another turning point in Church history. Pope Leo XIII, who gave voice to exploited workers in the age of industry, reshaped Catholic conscience with Rerum Novarum, the Church’s first social encyclical. Leo XIV inherits that legacy not merely in word, but in living example. If Leo XIII defended labor with his pen, Leo XIV affirms dignity with his hands and feet.
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Like Francis, Leo's vision is to serve and be among the people...especially, those most in need. The Conclave chose wisely.

If religion is not offering suggestions about the meaning of life... it's just another political movement to exploit the masses and benefit its leaders.

But to be honest,,, the Catholic Church has been very guilty of this for millennia.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testem_benevolentiae_nostrae

Look at Tyrone and conor: they gets their doctrine from their political party. If there is any confict between their party's platform and Church doctrine, party platform controls. And, because they know that there are religious people out there who put doctrine first, they cynically try to use religion to control those people to get them to vote a certain way to increase their party's power. So, yes, as Jim points out, religion can be used by them as a leverage for political control.

And look at all the people who think the Conclave's goal was to put into effect those people's political goals. It is a strange viewpoint. I know someone who actually thinks the conclave was concerned about US domestic politics when they chose Leo, which is a really warped viewpoint.

But religion is supposed to be a tool for self control, not control of others.

Jesus was not a lobbyists or a political activist. He did not seek to use political power to change the world. He used persuasion, not political power (i.e., force). He called on individuals to act voluntarily. And, he did not call individuals to lobby their government to create social programs to make people more comfortable on earth. He called individuals toward personal charity to convert the souls of both giver and receiver to goodness. The earth would be a better place for that, of course, but that earthly benefit was not his goal.

Obviously, personal salvation is paramount for most believers. But I don't think of that very often. I use religion to help me to be a better person now, and i leave salvation to God if he is there. Even if he is not there, i still get what i want out of my belief.(Posting here is not my best behavior, so I do think of quitting this forum ocassionally.)

Labeling them political doesn't change that fact. He takes the current administration on full throttle. Maybe that will change now that he’s Pope. On these issues to date though he is diametrically opposed to this clown car, and is pretty vocal about it.

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You call them political. I would say they are moral and part of Catholic social teaching. Don’t worry there will be plenty that the left won’t like either.

In the meantime, the Left will make some hay, as is being done here in the Open. I will listen to him and take his admonishments, if they come, to heart.

That means the world’s poor and suffering are meaningless to you, as are immigrants and the downtrodden.

Cruelty is your master.

Renounce your support for Trump. Return to Jesus.

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If you aren't Catholic then you don't believe that this Pope was elected through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, so you'll troll through his twitter feed and analyze his selection through a modern political lens, as if he was just elected to a seat in the US senate rather than the Chair of Saint Peter.
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If you are a believing Catholic then you do (or should) believe that his election is ordained by God. You view it through the lens of 2,000 years of Church history and the eternal will of the Almighty God. From that perspective, playing the gotcha game with old tweets is silly and bizarre.
This is why any conversation about the Pope on this site is destined to be disjointed, confused, and ultimately useless.
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Jesus, I trust in You.

from one of his very recent posts on Pope Leo XIV...
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Baron's words....."As bishop in Peru, he blocked gender ideology being taught in his schools putting the above words into action."
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Note the unmistakable political commentary by BVZ...there must be a Rule against non-stop hypocrisy...right?


Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=248780

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on any issue you choose...including Abortion. You still haven't replied to my substantive and documented statements on Personhood. It's hardly an act of "Controlling" to invite opposing opinions now, is it?...Don't be afraid to speak your mind...and allow others to do the same.

Jesus was a well-respected practicing Jew. He fulfilled the Prophesies. He founded His Church and gifted it with sacraments to sustain us. He is present in The Holy Eucharist. He was not a secular humanist.

Do what you want. What you will.

Regarding your occasional thought of leaving this forum:

Certain posters are here to sabotage this place.

Many great posters have left.

True collegiality is waning.

Your civility is appreciated.

What percentage of those who post here are still active in the Catholic Church?

I was married Lutheran and my kids baptized Methodist. I may find my way back one day but right now, I don't see it happening.

If acts of individuals would drive you away from the Church, why weren't those enough to do it? (Not trying to be a jerk here, just trying to make a theological point.)

I think we had ample warning from the first days of the Church that the leaders of the Church were not protected from their own sinful choices. The only promise made was that the Church and it's teaching would prevail against Hell...not individuals.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sympathetic to how one reacts to these things. I myself left the church for many years. I just decided that just because doctors smoke and get sick, etc., that didn't mean I should stay away from the hospital myself.

Watch the grandmother and her grandchildren bringing baskets of food to be blessed on Holy Saturday.

Watch a First Holy Communion or a Baptism.

See the people quietly waiting in a dimmed Church to receive Reconciliation.

Watch the old man ushering.

Watch the sacristan set up and tear down the altar for a Benediction and Eucharistic adoration.

Good and Evil coexist.

In the end Good triumphs.

there are problems. When that evil is buried in another Church instead of being dealt with, there are major problems. I know there are many great priests who make a difference in the world but there are also many who have damaged others only to be hidden by the Church. The damage has been done and I may make my way back but right now, I'm still pissed off about things and don't plan on it.

Sexual abuse is a societal problem. The Catholic Church has done much to define accountability. Would that our public schools would do the same.

I don't judge people who have been abused by a despicable sicko pretending to be a good Catholic priest. I understand why they left.

I simply ask you not to view those frauds as practicing and devout Catholic priests..

But when the “Church” helps cover up the issues, it’s a systemic issue. It was done for years and the evil is deeply ingrained. Moving sexual predators to different places just spread the issue. This is just one of a few issues. Greed and just nasty people hiding behind the cross are others.

The public school system has not.

You can define The Church by its worst corruptions. Many people do.

That's your prerogative.

I'm focusing on The Blessed Sacrament.

To each his own.

never attended a Public school. The only experience I have is with Catholic schools. In my eyes, abuse is abuse, no matter where it happens. It's the steps that are taken to fix the abuse are what matters.

Again, I don't excuse The Church. But they have taken steps. The public school system not nearly as much.

"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

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stupidity.

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