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And I thought Republicans were concerned about the debt???? Worst President Ever!!

Author: conorlarkin (21009 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:48 am on Jun 19, 2025
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/business/national-debt-limit-republicans.html

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Thread Level: 2

Interesting. I never thought the Democrats were concerned about the debt.

Author: NedoftheHill (44669 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:07 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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They only seem "concerned" when they are trying to stop GOP spending ... their concern is not debt, but how money is spent...but it will be spent.

As for me, I am concerned about the debt. If the GOP is not concerned, and the Dems are not concerned, then I guess that ceases to be a voting issue for me. Only the Libertarians would cut spending. Maybe all of us here should vote for them. What say you? Are you really concerned about debt?....or just scoring points on the forum here?


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Your normal Whatabout deflection to the other side. Pathetic.

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:55 am on Jun 20, 2025
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I see you are running out of ways to respond to logical argument you don't like.

Author: NedoftheHill (44669 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:45 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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There are 2 choices. You would have me ignore fault of one but not of the other, like you do. Why not pay attention to both?

I wish one party was fiscally responsible, but when they aren't, why would I vote for the other fiscally unresponsible party? The issue becomes a non-voting issue. That is ordinary logic. How is that whataboutism?...please explain.

if both parties are the same on Issua A, and so I ignore Issue A as a voting issue, that is not justifying one party on Issue A with whatabourism. That is setting aside Issue A since there is no party championing it.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I don’t care who you vote for or the reasoning. Even Jakers acknowledged the truth of the GOP lack

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:58 am on Jun 20, 2025
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of honesty on the subject. The question isn’t who are you going to vote for on the issue. It’s whether the party lying about championing fiscal restraint has any credibility.

You always need to do a Whatabout deflection to the other side. This is your fundamental partisan hack response. Both sides do it so we aren’t that bad. You can shuffle all you want, but it is painfully obvious.


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You don't care to read my posts either. Both parties lack credibility on this issue.

Author: NedoftheHill (44669 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:49 pm on Jun 20, 2025
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Only a partisan hack would pretend their party has credibility on the debt issue, and attack the other party for not having credibility the debt issue. That is what you are doing.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yeah and only one touts its fiscal responsibility as its main virtue. The post was about that party.

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Jun 20, 2025
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You are the one who chooses to cover that hypocrisy with equivalence.

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The Dems talk a lot about fiscal responsibility when the GOP is in office.

Author: NedoftheHill (44669 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Jun 20, 2025
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Conor started this thread.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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So, refute it instead of diverting. He’s right. The party of financial responsibility has become

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Jun 20, 2025
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as bad or worse than the other side. You can’t deny it so you shuffle about the opposition. Own yer shit MAGA boy.

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St. Reagan tripled the debt. Dumb Dub doubled it. And Don, well, Don knows bankruptcy.

Author: ND521 (9409 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Rich folk need their tax cuts, no matter the consequences. This bill is beyond recklessness.

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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They have never been fiscal hawks. Not ever. It has always been their biggest lie.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 10:59 am on Jun 19, 2025
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It would be nice if the media would stop giving them credibility when it is not true.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

Sadly, I can't make a great argument to dispute your point.

Author: jakers (13888 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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It somewhat started with Reagan cutting taxes while significantly increasing spending on military and Star Wars. Bush Sr., being more of a caretaker type of leader than transformational, didn't make significant changes, and the debt rose further (along with cost related to Gulf War 1). W. Bush got us into Iraq, which of course cranked up the debt even further.

I hate what happened to the debt under Obama, but I can't dispute your point that his G.O.P. predecessors and successor have not been much more effective with spend. It disappoints me.


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Except 41 until the greedy bailed on him & the dumb voted for...Ross Dumbo.

Author: ND521 (9409 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:30 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Fortunately in 92 the number of the truly moronic electorate was lower than now. Guys like Ross

Author: Frank L (64677 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:52 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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Dumbo and Mango Man couldn’t win back then.

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Only a 3rd party can fix the debt issue, Rs and Ds are beholden to their owners/donors.

Author: iairishcheeks (27165 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:34 am on Jun 19, 2025
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Our two major parties got together under the leadership of a Dem President (Clinton) to cut costs

Author: TyroneIrish (20429 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:56 am on Jun 19, 2025
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and lower the national debt...we can do it again. It's up to the GOP to ditch Trump and his cronies...they don't have to follow him off a cliff...the ball is totally in their court.

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That was long before Rs and Ds became Bloods and Crips.

Author: iairishcheeks (27165 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:09 am on Jun 19, 2025
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Not that long ago, but definitely before the GOP let itself be taken over by a Felon, Rapist, Fraud,

Author: TyroneIrish (20429 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:17 am on Jun 19, 2025
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Incompetent with an off-the-charts Personality Disorder who is a Lapdog to our worst enemy.

Don't be a quitter...do all you can to vote out Trump and all those who align with him.

btw, thanks for admitting that it was the Dems who spearheaded the solution to our rising debt problem.


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There is nothing to indicate either party can address the issue, and it's because of people like you

Author: iairishcheeks (27165 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:03 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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When your party is in power you cheer for the spending.
When DOGE was attempted, your people firebombed Teslas.
Now you complain about spending.

Same is true on the other side of the aisle, minus the arson.


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I just gave you an example of Democrats taking the lead on cost cutting and debt reduction...in

Author: TyroneIrish (20429 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:35 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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cooperation with like minded Republicans...yet today's GOP, under DJT's control, refuses to tackle such issues in a bipartisan way...instead relying on tenuous, if not Un-Constitutional Executive Orders.

Thread Level: 8

Those days aren't coming back, Dems have no more interest in solving the problem then reps.

Author: iairishcheeks (27165 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Jun 19, 2025
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