How’s that non existent cease fire going?
The Trumpers still think their clown prince deserves a medal for doing absolutely nothing
Replies to: How’s that non existent cease fire going?
Pretty good for me. How is it going for you? Not sure about the "non" part, though. Got a link?
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If you doubt it, disprove it
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Don's polls tanked, so he bombed the Middle East then pretended to be a peacemaker. Very original.
education and
According to GOP Rep. Mike McCaul...the MOP Strike..."...was never meant to completely destroy the
nuclear facilities, but rather cause significant damage."..."But it was always known to be a temporary setback".
...from the attached article...
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Republican Rep. Michael McCaul, the chairman emeritus of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, would not echo Trump’s claims that the Iranian program had been “obliterated” when pressed by CNN on Tuesday.
“I’ve been briefed on this plan in the past, and it was never meant to completely destroy the nuclear facilities, but rather cause significant damage,” McCaul told CNN, referring to the US military plans to strike Iranian nuclear facilities. “But it was always known to be a temporary setback.”
Jeffrey Lewis, a weapons expert and professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies who has closely reviewed commercial satellite imagery of the strike sites, agreed with the assessment that the attacks do not appear to have ended Iran’s nuclear program.
“The ceasefire came without either Israel or the United States being able to destroy several key underground nuclear facilities, including near Natanz, Isfahan and Parchin,” Lewis said, referring to the ceasefire between Israel and Iran that Trump announced on Monday. Parchin is a separate nuclear complex near Tehran.
“These facilities could serve as the basis for the rapid reconstitution of Iran’s nuclear program.”
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Bottom Line...we need another JCPOA
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/intel-assessment-us-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites
This makes sense. The real question is did it substantially set their program back. I still don’t
think we know that answer.
More from that CNN article...the Isfahan target was "Too Deep" for MOP bombs...if so, then Iran
could always avoid total destruction of its nuclear program....we need another JCPOA...Unless our 'Stable Genius' decides to send in the Marines to storm Iran's nuclear facilities.
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As CNN has reported, there have long been questions about whether the US’ bunker-buster bombs, known as Massive Ordnance Penetrators, would be able to fully destroy Iran’s highly fortified nuclear sites that are buried deep underground — particularly at Fordow and Isfahan, Iran’s largest nuclear research complex.
Notably, the US struck Isfahan with Tomahawk missiles launched from a submarine instead of a bunker-buster bomb. That is because there was an understanding that the bomb would likely not successfully penetrate Isfahan’s lower levels, which are buried even deeper than Fordow, one of the sources said.
US officials believe Iran also maintains secret nuclear facilities that were not targeted in the strike and remain operational, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
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an ∞% better than any sanction you idiots tried. your war rages on.
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Just remember, you voted for Kamala and Walz. Nothing you say has any validity. Ever.
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Iran doesn't have a nuke program anymore(condolences). The rest is gravy, but we can hope for it all
with Trump.
This is why Trump blasted CNN as scum, garbage. They want to give Israel/neocon excuses to continue
the war. They gave negative reporting on ceasefire. They are disgusting.
Link: https://x.com/ThomasMHern/status/1937513133557580144
Full TDS tantrum on display from a grown adult. Beautiful.
Who was polled BTW. Who did the polling? Likely Dem voters from NYC?
You’re a full grown adult, using TDS and tantrum to describe a simple statement
You morons love to hide from the truth. Do you think any one outside your lame ass cult thinks you’re not the deranged ones? Classic
I am a full grown adult alright, watching grown children here throwing tantrums 24/7.
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Only you would call pointing out your ridiculous idiocy, a tantrum
Your melodramatic bullshit isn’t helping your cause, dumbass.
You do get butt hurt easily. Relax. It's only a low level anonymous message board.
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They have had a horrible week. The can't accept Trump's success where they failed. Sure glad we won
...and by "we", I mean the USA.
How is that you misread people so horribly?
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We can tell because of the manner in which you become unhinged so easily and lash out at people
With such vulgarity just like another guy on this board does.
Save your bullshit, no one believes you
All you do is lie.
You are an odd insividual
Or maybe you’re a BOT because that’s the same answer you give half the time. You’re actually a sad excuse for a human being; not sure what you’re doing on a Notre Dame chat board.
I can imagine the truth does seem odd to you
Fuck off douche
Polling says most Americans oppose the strikes. And we may have not destroyed their program.
Where is all of the already 60% enriched uranium?
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/trump-iran-strikes-poll-cnn-ssrs?cid=ios_app
Not surprising.
Dems oppose it if Trump did it...and would defend it if Biden or Obama did it.
On the right, there are a bunch of isolationists who would oppose it on principle.
As for me, I suspect it was necessary if unsavory. I would like us to do less of that kind of thing, but this is Iran we are talking about, a nation that regularly publicly calls for the destruction of the United States, and attacks us all the time through their proxies, and started taking Americans hostage from the beginning and continue to this day. They deserve everything they get. Maybe they will back down if we show strength.
...And not by a small margin...56/44...DJT keeps making it harder for 2026 GOP candidates...not sure
the party can take much more of this.
And? You are increasingly grasping at straws. Orange man all up in your head.
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My, my such a hissy today. Just speaking the truth. The strikes are unpopular and likely didn’t
achieve their admittedly high goals. Now go stomp your feet in the corner or go report some guys with weed wackers to ICE.
Unpopular with who? You? The Dem marxist left? Your dear leader AOC?
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Yeah, I’m sure they didn’t poll anyone else. Stop defending the indefensible.
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Defending CNN polling is defending the indefensible.
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Defending it? I’m saying what it found. You are attacking it with zero basis. Do better.
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I get the impression that most people are like me, sad we had to do it but glad we did.
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According to the CNN poll that isn’t accurate. I have seen no data to support that assertion.
I will agree that most of your political stripe support it.
I'm attacking CNN because they're CNN. Is that bette for your?
Like the Dem Marxist here, CNN is totally invested in parroting enemy talking points. You think just one time you anti-Trumpers woulld have at least given praise to our servicemen and women who pulled this off. Not even the anti-Trump veterans here was able to muster up any praise and well wishes for our people. That's pathetic becuse that''s what the Dem Left does. That's what they always do.
You went from criticizing everything Trump does to parroting Tryone's: he's unpopular! Sad really.
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He is unpopular and deservedly so. You just can’t handle the truth like most of your cohorts. He’s
also cookoo for coco puffs.
Don't care if he's "popular" - he's doing what he was elected to do.
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Uhm, he certainly didn’t campaign on jumping in the middle of a war with Iran.
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Actually, he promised to end Iran's nuclear program which is exactly what he did...no more.
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Polling of whom? Squad members?
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Not surprising
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Set the program back only a couple of months, says the DIA
Maybe that’s enough for a deal to be made…but I’m not sure why the Iranians would trust the Israelis or Trump.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/24/us/politics/iran-nuclear-sites.html
The head of the DoD who has reviewed all of the best intel in the world on this disagrees with you.
Pete Hegseth:
"Based on everything we have seen, and I've seen it all, our bombing campaign obliterated Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons," Hegseth told reporters. "Our massive bombs hit exactly the right spot at each target and worked perfectly. The impact of those bombs is buried under a mountain of rubble in Iran. So, anyone who says the bombs were not devastating is just trying to undermine the president and the successful mission."
"I'm not sure why the Iranians would trust the US or the Israelis". Liberal Stockholm Syndrome.
Also, I am absolutely shocked that you would post mitigating takes on a big Trump success story. Shocked, I say!
So what did all the boom boom buy that wouldn’t have been had by the prior agreement?
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JCPOA = 15 years (and probably renewed). Bombing = a few months…
…and undoubtedly an Iran determined to get nukes.
This made it certain that eventually they will.
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Should the US strike again and do more damage?
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Don't ask them. They don't know any more than you.
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Or do you. But DIA does if that info is accurate.
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IF IF IF. Wait and see before you all celebrate. 80% of Rs approve of the Iran bombing.
You know, the people that actually voted for him. Your leader iis AOC and you all are taking swipes at DJT? LOL I have made no comments on the success or lack of success of the mission . That's how much I know. You all know even less but yet analysis and comments are flying. Another LOL.
80% of R’s think Mango shits chocolate ice cream. Most of your cohorts were taking premature victory
laps like the dear leader. If the reports of what DIA said are wrong, I will acknowledge that unlike you folks.
It’s always the question when you start down the rabbit hole. Supposedly the dear leader has said
one and done for what little his word is worth.
I hope it was one and done. But there are people who refuse to give Trump credit. I don't know if
the bombing was right or wrong, but it seems to have had some sort of impact. And if it helped to negotiate peace, that's great.
There are people here that would rather have the mission fail than a DJT success.
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Failure is a subjective term. Tactically the strikes hit their targets and may have put that site
out of commission for awhile. The issue is strategically did it set back their program significantly? That’s an open question. If you are that blind that you can’t see that, not my problem.
Don't act stupid. I have made no comment on the success or lack of it .
I have made an issue that no one here had any concern for the military personel involved, including you. Right now, CNN isn't enough to sway me. The hope for mission failure just oozes out of every word in your comments.
Did I say you did? I said your cohorts were doing a premature victory dance, another truthful
statement.
true
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It’s really too early to say either way. But it points out the folly of believing that even a well
executed tactical strike will necessarily achieve strategic aims.
Agree 100%
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