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At least call it what it is if you support it: discretionary assumption of debt for something you deem worthwhile.

The fact that you have to lie about it undermines your case for it. Shaming people for not supporting "use of force" because it isn't actually "love" weakens your position. Instead, I suggest inviting others to contribute to a private charity that helps the situation.

If you are worried about fiscal responsibility, as you pretend when the GOP is in charge, then every discretionary assumption of debt needs to cut.

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saved numerous lives of innocent children and has widespread public support. Only someone like you would call it stealing. For those freaks who don’t like that, you got your option to defund it. That’s gonna be a real winner of an issue for MAGA in the mid terms. Well within the discretion of Congress to enact it and to fund it.

The personal insult indicates you totally misunderstood my point. You seem to agree with me based on the rest of your post, and yet you personally attack me anyway. This is a common theme with you: even when you agree with someone, you still have to personally insult them.

public. Anyone who would claim that isn’t a Christian in my book. Do you claim to be a Christian?

When voting for spending, you are voting for use of force against your neighbors...and in our case, with our deficit spending, against the kids of your neighbors. That is why it is a political issue, and a matter of simple Christian love.

Also, the sun rises in the east, and sets in the west.

Gravity causes items to fall to the ground.

Let me know if you are confused about any other basic things of life.

I never suggested the government doesn't have the power to use such force; I only called out that it is not "love" to use such force. You obviously misunderstood my point.

...it is why they are so enraged.

There are many health issues to address, and this is certainly one of them. But it is one of them that has received a disproportionately large amount of the money in both research and assistance. There are political reasons for that.
AID's doesn't affect just LGBTQ - and in Africa this is especially so, but it does affect a markedly higher proportion of LGBTQ which is the most powerful interest group in the Democrat Party.
The Left would not be screaming the same if this were money going to the assistance of people with Down's Syndrome.
This cut to PEPFAR "gouges the liberal's ox", and they care most about their own political issues....their lip service to helping others is simply because it serves their interest.

How many have sent in their private money to help?

force. You really do have issues. It’s not force you dumbass. It’s enacting the will of the people who voted for those enacting it.

Your view on that is so divorced from reality, I don't know what to say, other than you should stop paying taxes, and then see whether government force comes into play. I look forward to your denial that any force was used to put you in jail.

The very nature of government is the application of force. We attempt to legitimize it by using that force in accordance with the Constitution and the law, via politics; but, its nature as force is not changed. Christianity, on the other hand, is fundamentally of the nature of persuasion and love, not force.

all of the good and high minded things that we as a people have said we want from our govt in the Constitution. But it’s in place through the consent of and agreement of the governed. It’s not imposed by force here. The people’s representatives have lawfully enacted it.

And your entire point is stupid. PEPFAR being in place or not has no impact on what you pay in taxes. You would pay the same either way, with or without it.

The only thing unusual and I would say Christian about it is it’s a rare instance when we have come together as a people and said we are going to this not cause it helps us or even our country but because it’s the right and humane thing to do. There will always be turds in the punch bowl like you who feel differently but the people spoke and said this is an altruistic thing we want to do and it’s in keeping with best traditions of. Christianity and other religions. Now go eff off and bitch about something else. You look pretty dumb here.

Government may be legitimized force, but it is still force, which takes it out of the realm of "love." That is the point, which you have missed. You are trying to argue that the use of taxation, under penalty of jail, is love, and that is just asinine. Not much more to say that. You are obviously just arguing to keep arguing.

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Too bad the Dems corrupted USAID. They figured they could hide behind the women and children

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Link: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/future-pulse/2025/07/09/filling-the-void-left-by-pepfar-00442890

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Link: https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/the-trump-administrations-foreign-aid-review-status-of-pepfar/

Limited Waiver:
"PEPFAR received a limited waiver on February 1 (with additional information on February 6), allowing it to continue “life-saving HIV services”. However, the waiver only permits certain activities: HIV treatment and care, prevention of mother-to-child transmission (PMTCT), pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) for pregnant and breastfeeding women, and HIV testing. Other services, including PrEP for anyone else (including those already on PrEP) and HIV prevention more generally, as well as programming for orphans and vulnerable children, are not permitted. Even with the waiver, implementers have faced challenges in getting permission to resume HIV programming and difficulties in getting paid."

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to do the right thing?

Fuck Trump. Fuck him.

Millions of lives saved.

But Trump’s team has a strong counter argument: “Fuck them.”