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to optimize their power.

The beauty of Madison's Constitution is that it was designed to minimize the damage from the inherent factionalism of politics.

Obviously mistakes were made during the COVID era. Closing beaches was asinine. Schools should have opened much sooner.

But it was all done with good intentions (keeping people healthy). And of course some of it was wrong.

Good public policy would involve learning those lessons and making adjustments. But as always politics is getting in the way. And the nation’s dumbasses, led by RFK jr.

"Our intentions are good....namely advancing our political agendas".

Governments have the right to restrict civil liberties in times of extreme emergencies. Like, say, pandemics.

The most prolonged shut downs occurred in liberal gov states.

And he did what every chief exec around the world did.

And most people understood, except for the MAGA dipshit chorus.

Of course, Fauci lied to them as well at the behest of his party.

Sometimes I forget how pointless it is to engage with you.

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Link: In the Name of Public Health - Nazi Racial Hygiene. (NEJM)

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favored sending anti-vaxers to camps. Not sure you remember the pandemic, but those vaccines were a God-Send...wish we could have had a nearly 80% vaccination rate, like Japan from the get-go...could have achieved "Herd Immunity" and possibly avoided Delta and Omicron variants...not to mention saving hundreds of thousands of lives.

If you're going to criticize and throw shade on anyone...save it for the Anti-Vaxers.

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I love getting my vaccine advice from an anonymous message board poster.

...from one anonymous poster to another..."Up your game and provide substantive backup to your opinions."...Man, that was easy ;-)

Arresting anyone walking on the beach.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. ..."

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have the protection against serious illness, or perhaps death. Our family Pulmonary/Critical Care Specialist noted that ~98% of patients in the ICU were "UN-Vaccinated".. Dr. Fauci was doing his best to keep people healthy and alive. Not sure what Baron was up to.

You are truly a comedian.

Which wasn't surprising to any objective virologist, politics and power trumped the science.

It's just too bad we didn't prioritize vaccines and isolation for the vulnerable while the invulnerable achieved herd immunity naturally, it would have saved lives.


Link: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9655392/

Oh wait.

...here is an excerpt from the linked article which evaluates both approaches..
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Foremost, the scientific evidence must be considered. Specific to SARS-CoV-2, some results suggest that vaccine-induced immunity is more effective,3 other results suggest that natural immunity is more effective,4 and some findings estimate both options as roughly equal.5 All evidence appears to support that prior immunity helps reduce frequency of severe outcomes and prevents future infections. The scientific evidence thus supports an advantage for some level of protection beyond unvaccinated and uninfected, but further study is needed. Alternatively, public health professionals must weigh additional information than efficacy alone when building policy. Among the many possible factors, three key issues must be considered when determining whether vaccine mandates should accommodate immunity following prior infection: (1) risk exposure; (2) reliability; and (3) sustainment.

Risk exposure is the first issue. Notably, each pathway to immunity exposes individuals to different levels of risk. People could have adverse reactions to vaccines or severe outcomes due to infection. Adverse effects have been minimal for COVID-19 vaccines,6,7 indicating a nominal level of risk exposure. SARS-CoV-2 exposure, meanwhile, carries significant and well-documented dangers.8 Risk therefore becomes the cornerstone for making public health policy decisions as the vaccine is far safer than natural infection.

Reliability is the second issue. Without reliable information about the conditions conferring immunization, it becomes difficult to build policy. Vaccination uses the same formula each time, the same dosage, and with an identifiable date of vaccination, waning immunity can be documented with high reliability. Natural immunity is highly variable by comparison. People may not know which strain infected them without further testing, viral load during the infection, or precisely when their exposure occurred. Asymptomatic individuals may know none of this information. Serology testing for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could also be unreliable due to timing and current serology test performance characteristics.9 Vaccines thus provide a more reliable option than natural infection when constructing policy.

Sustainment is the third issue. COVID immunization may not result in lasting immunity,10 and so public health policy must consider requirements to sustain immunity among the population. Tracking vaccine-induced immunity is relatively simple due to higher reliability. In turn, coordinating booster shots becomes easier because protocols can be optimized in accordance with prior vaccination. Boosters for natural infections are more difficult to coordinate. If date of infection is unknown, as with asymptomatic cases, and duration of waning immunity is unknown, as with most COVID cases, it becomes exponentially more difficult to build any consistent or meaningful policy. Vaccines represent the better option around which to coordinate boosters and ensure continuing immunity.

All three factors—risk exposure, reliability, and sustainment—support building public health policy around vaccines as the safest option. We have observed these differences in practice when implementing a vaccine mandate among military personnel. With the vaccine, logistical concerns around tracking have been much simpler than COVID-19 case counts. For example, we can track vaccinations as a percentage of total force, but we cannot fully track every case due to asymptomatic infections or mild symptoms left undocumented.
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Link: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8957290/

You'll believe whatever suits your fancy, like usual.

Link: https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-releases/lancet-most-comprehensive-study-date-provides-evidence-natural

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In his own words:

"I'm not against it. I identify myself as a Catholic. I was raised, I was baptized, I was confirmed, I was married in the Church. My children were baptized in the Church. But as far as practicing it, it seems almost like a pro forma thing that I don't really need to do"

Satan smiles.

he just prayed the Rosary, and showed up at Mass on Sunday.

It's hilarious you think you know more about medicine than Baron and doubly hilarious you think you know more than Dr. Risch.

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A friend of mine is a heart surgeon. I see him at Mass twice a week.

Your either/or scenario is absurd.

God will judge Fauci.

Pro forma.




I am placing you back on Ignore.

Have the last say, Old Joe.

Baron...

As for Dr. Fauci...no one can deny that over the course of his long career, he's saved millions of people's lives...Presidents and members of Medical communities all over the world have lauded him during that time, and especially when he retired. Working for much less compensation in the Government Public Service arena than he could have in Private practice, given that he graduated 1st in his class from Cornell's Medical School.

He has nothing to be ashamed of...and it's hard to imagine a God that would chastise him for missing Mass ;-)...IMO you are not worthy to touch the hem of his "White Coat".

Just in case you summoned the courage to read this response...now go back to hiding behind your fake curtain.