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Abhorrent trend.

Author: conorlarkin (21339 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:56 am on Jul 23, 2025
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/opinion/migration-deportation-sudan-trump.html

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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The NYT must thank its lucky stars every day that Trump was re-elected.

Author: LanceManion (8259 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 1:07 pm on Jul 23, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Paywall. I'm going to guess: The "abhorrent trend" is "law enforcement". Right?

Author: BaronVonZemo (61067 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Jul 23, 2025
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Nope. It is about Trump's agenda to "disappear" human beings which you presumably embrace.

Author: conorlarkin (21339 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:45 pm on Jul 23, 2025
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Excerpts:

Deporting foreign nationals to countries other than their homeland has quickly become a centerpiece of the Trump administration’s immigration policy. Thousands of people have been sent to countries in the Western Hemisphere, including Costa Rica, El Salvador, Mexico and Panama. At a recent summit of West African leaders, President Trump pressed them to admit deportees from the United States, reportedly emphasizing that assisting in migration was essential to improving commercial ties with the United States. All told, administration officials have reached out to dozens of states to try to strike deals to accept deportees. The administration is making progress: Last week, it sent five men to the tiny, landlocked country of Eswatini in southern Africa after their home countries allegedly “refused to take them back,” according to an assistant homeland security secretary, Tricia McLaughlin. The terms of the deal were not disclosed.

In some ways, this is nothing new. It has become increasingly common for the world’s most prosperous countries to relocate immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees to places with which they have little or no prior connection. Previous U.S. administrations from both parties have sought third-country detentions as easy fixes. In the 1990s, Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton both sent thousands of Haitian refugees to detention camps in Guantánamo Bay before forcibly repatriating most of them to Haiti.

What is new about the Trump administration’s deportation efforts, unlike previous European or even past U.S. attempts, is their breadth and scale, effectively transforming migrant expulsions into a tool for international leverage. By deporting foreign nationals to often unstable third countries, the Trump administration is not only creating a novel class of exiles with little hope of returning to either the United States or their country of origin, but also explicitly using these vulnerable populations as bargaining chips in a wider strategy of diplomatic and geopolitical deal making.

Although these deals take various forms, states that enter them are motivated by similar concerns. The world’s richer states wish to retain control of their borders and are particularly aggrieved by the arrival of people who enter by irregular means, especially when they are coming from low-income countries that many associate with crime, violence and terrorism. Governments in destination countries are attracted to such deals by the promise of financial, diplomatic and military support.

Throughout much of the West, as public sentiment has turned against newcomers, policymakers and pundits alike have portrayed migrants as a threat to national security and social stability. These migrants, they argue, impose an unsustainable burden on government budgets and public services and deprive citizens of jobs. Racism and xenophobia, fueled by populist politicians and right-wing media outlets, have also played an important part in creating a toxic environment in which the expulsion of migrants to arbitrary destinations is increasingly considered legitimate.

But how legitimate is it? Third-country deportations often sidestep due process and violate international law, under which it is forbidden for states to deport such people to any place where their life or liberty would be at risk. It is also plainly unethical, imposing additional stress on people who have undergone traumatic journeys and who are then dumped in far-off, unfamiliar places.

Several of the countries slated as deportation destinations have bleak human rights records and are unsafe for all civilians, let alone foreign deportees, who are likely to be targets of abuse and exploitation. In the worst instances, as with U.S. deportees in El Salvador, they can find themselves in jails where the authorities routinely inflict physical and psychological violence on inmates.

These deportation deals also have corrosive consequences for international politics. They encourage smaller, weaker countries to engage in transactional behavior, commodifying human life by trading immigrant bodies for cash, development aid, diplomatic support and international impunity. They may even strengthen the impunity of authoritarian regimes that violate the human rights of their own citizens. In the case of El Salvador, for example, deportees from the United States reportedly included some leaders of the criminal gang MS-13, who were thought to be in a position to expose links between President Nayib Bukele and the gang.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, a network of international instruments, institutions and norms have acted as guardrails, if imperfect ones, to ensure that refugees, asylum seekers and other migrants are treated humanely. Now it seems as though the president is looking to rewrite the rules of this system to one in which people are pawns.

By expanding the practice of forced relocation, Mr. Trump is using migrants as currency in a global network of geopolitical negotiation. His administration is normalizing the use of vulnerable people as bargaining chips to extract better deals with friends and foes alike. He is setting a dangerous precedent for other democratic countries by ignoring the moral and reputational cost of shipping desperate people into terrible conditions. As Mr. Trump works to bring this new paradigm to life, leaders the world over will be watching closely. If he can pull it off, so can they.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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You allowed these people in illegally & had lawyers advise everyone to claim asylum.This solves that

Author: BaronVonZemo (61067 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Jul 23, 2025
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and also solves the problem of their home countries not wanting them back (especially all of the criminals that you let in to endanger American citizens).

You should embrace your responsibility in this whole affair for causing the problem, and necessitating 3rd party countries, but your not man enough to do so.

As always, liberals create a problem and then complain about the necessary fix to their chaos.


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At what point did "disappear" make its way into the left vocabulary?

Author: ELP (9882 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Jul 23, 2025
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Did the left have a meeting or something and decide that "disappear" would be used instead of deport? Mostly peaceful instead of insurrection. Latinx instead of Hispanic. Gay instead of homosexual. Women's health care instead of abortion. WNBA instead of HS gym class. Guardians and Commanders instead of Indians and Redskins. Soon to be Monday Night Flag Football instead of just plain good old fashion MNF.

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Disgraceful.

Author: conorlarkin (21339 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:57 am on Jul 23, 2025
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/23/opinion/jd-vance-claremont-american-citizen.html

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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