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DOE says mitigating CO2 not worth it

Author: MarkHarman (7330 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:46 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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"Among the key findings, the report concludes that carbon dioxide (CO2) -induced warming appears to be less damaging economically than commonly believed, and that aggressive mitigation strategies could be more harmful than beneficial. Additionally, the report finds that U.S. policy actions are expected to have undetectably small direct impacts on the global climate and any effects will emerge only with long delays."

Link: https://www.energy.gov/topics/climate

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Thread Level: 2

Amazing that all of these govt agencies suddenly have credibility with the Right.

Author: Frank L (64824 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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Thread Level: 3

I agree with your insinuation that major regulatory decisions are primarily political.

Author: Curly1918 (16555 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:47 am on Jul 30, 2025
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That's why they should always be ratified by elected officials in order to reflect the will of the people and not merely the self-serving agendas of unelected elites from either party.

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You taught us that we should believe them w/out question. Why have you stopped?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60454 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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Though these guys are adding2 and 2 together and getting 4 like rational people, which is a real tell for knowing whom to believe independent of what govt tells us).

Thread Level: 2

Green energy policy to CC = Shut Down to COVID.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60454 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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As we all knew.(Canada’ fires the past 2yrs alone have poured more into the atm than we could ever

Author: BaronVonZemo (60454 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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saved back btw). A fools errand. And lots of fake studies and fudged data as well.

It was ever an excuse for wealth redirect and fear mongering to achieve political goals.


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Sea level is rising…Marine Species are moving towards the poles…and England is

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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a better place to grow Champagne grapes…

Some people can’t take hint…


Thread Level: 4

If we all chipped in, could we get you to move to one of the poles?

Author: iairishcheeks (27544 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:14 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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I'll ask you...what will it take to convince you that CC is indeed a threat to human habitation?

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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What would it take convince you that it's not top five?

Author: iairishcheeks (27544 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:17 am on Jul 30, 2025
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In no specific order (other than white supremacy)
1. Ice age
2. Cosmic impact
3. Disease
4. Volcanism (that no one understands)
5. People choose not to procreate due to climate alarmism.
6. White supremacy, our greatest.threat.


Thread Level: 7

You’re not answering the question…what would it take for you to

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:01 am on Jul 31, 2025
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accept that CC is a threat to human habitation?

Thread Level: 6

Drs. Curry and Lindzen aren't convinced, and neither are thousands of other scientists

Author: MarkHarman (7330 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:51 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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So why should we believe there is cause for concern?

Thread Level: 7

Nobel Prize Winners in Physics are concerned about CC …what would it

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:04 am on Jul 30, 2025
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take to make you concerned?

Thread Level: 8

It would take Dr. Curry and Dr. Lindzen to be concerned for me to be concerned

Author: MarkHarman (7330 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:06 am on Jul 30, 2025
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Both of them accept the physics of CC…they just question the severity….

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:12 am on Jul 30, 2025
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Sort of like “Doubting Thomases”

Since they accept the physics they have to know that unchecked burning of fossil fuels can only make things worse....here's an overview...
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AI Overview
While both Richard Lindzen and Judith Curry have acknowledged the basic physics of climate change (warming due to greenhouse gases), they both express significant skepticism about the extent and potential impacts of climate change, as well as the scientific consensus surrounding it.

Richard Lindzen: Lindzen has been a vocal critic of what he calls "climate alarmism" and has disputed the scientific consensus on the magnitude and pace of climate change. He is known for his focus on natural climate variability.

Judith Curry: Curry's position is described by some as "neo-skepticism". While she acknowledges the warming trend and the role of greenhouse gases, she emphasizes the complexities and uncertainties of climate models and the influence of natural climate variability. She has also expressed concerns about the potential negative impacts of climate change mitigation policies.
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Thread Level: 8

You're arguing that Mark should get a Nobel Prize? I'm in.

Author: iairishcheeks (27544 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:19 am on Jul 30, 2025
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Here's an AI overview about how the Earth's Boreal Forests and Oceans are losing their ability to

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:33 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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Buffer increases in atmospheric CO2...i.e. it's only going to get worse...Faster.
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AI Overview

Both boreal forests and oceans are indeed showing signs of a diminishing capacity to absorb and buffer atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), a concerning trend for the global climate.

Boreal forests
Carbon storage: Boreal forests, or taiga, represent a vast biome with significant carbon storage, particularly within their extensive soils due to slow decomposition rates in colder climates.

Risks to carbon sink: Climate change-related factors such as increased wildfires, insect outbreaks, and logging are impacting boreal forests' ability to function as carbon sinks.
Potential tipping point: Some research suggests these forests are at risk of reaching a tipping point, potentially becoming a net source of CO2 rather than a sink, exacerbating global warming.

Oceans
Ocean absorption of warming: Oceans have historically absorbed a substantial portion of the heat from fossil fuel emissions, leading to warming and acidification.
Decreasing buffer capacity: Studies indicate that the ocean's capacity to buffer excess anthropogenic CO2 is decreasing, potentially reducing the proportion of atmospheric CO2 absorbed by oceans in the future.

Ocean acidification: The increasing absorption of CO2 by oceans leads to ocean acidification, which harms marine ecosystems and organisms reliant on carbonate for their shells and structures, like shellfish and corals.

In summary: The declining ability of both boreal forests and oceans to act as carbon sinks and buffers is a critical aspect of climate change, highlighting the urgency of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and adopting sustainable land management practices to mitigate these impacts.
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Thread Level: 2

Impacts of a 4 degree C global warming...

Author: TyroneIrish (20928 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:25 pm on Jul 29, 2025
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NOAA data shows CO2 concentration accelerating...and Dr. Roy Spencer's Global Temperature doing the same. A 4 deg. C rise is definitely in play if we don't take action.

Link: https://www.greenfacts.org/en/impacts-global-warming/l-2/index.htm

https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2025_v6.1_20x9-scaled.jpg

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Thread Level: 3

Yet another Homer Simpson post

Author: Curly1918 (16555 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:43 am on Jul 30, 2025
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzfl1wTemM

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