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ICE Deportations are starting to impact U.S. harvests...and consumers' pocketbooks...

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:02 am on Aug 7, 2025
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...here's an AI overvie....

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Mass deportations and increased immigration enforcement, particularly through actions by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), are having a significant and detrimental impact on U.S. agricultural harvests and the broader food supply chain.

Here's how:

Labor Shortages: The agricultural sector heavily relies on immigrant labor, with estimates suggesting a significant portion of the workforce consists of undocumented individuals. Increased deportations and fears surrounding enforcement are causing immigrant farmworkers to stay home or leave the workforce, leading to severe labor shortages, particularly during critical harvesting periods.

Unharvested Crops and Food Waste: With fewer workers, crops are left unharvested and perish in the fields, resulting in significant crop losses and increased food waste. This directly reduces the domestic food supply and impacts the availability of fresh produce for consumers.

Disruptions to the Food Supply Chain: The labor shortages disrupt the entire food supply chain, from farms to processing plants, and ultimately to grocery stores and restaurants. Packinghouses fall behind, transportation is affected, and retailers experience shortages, leading to decreased selection and potentially higher prices for consumers.

Economic Losses for Farmers and Businesses: Farmers face substantial financial losses due to unharvested crops and reduced production. This impacts not only the farmers but also upstream suppliers (seeds, fertilizer, equipment) and downstream businesses like trucking companies, distributors, and restaurants.

Impact on Food Prices: Reduced domestic production and increased reliance on potentially more costly imports, combined with increased operational costs, are expected to drive up food prices for consumers.

Worker Well-being and Human Impact: Beyond the economic consequences, increased enforcement leads to heightened anxiety and stress among immigrant farmworkers, affecting their well-being and stability in communities.

In essence, the removal of a significant portion of the agricultural workforce, coupled with the fear and uncertainty created by increased immigration enforcement, is causing disruptions across the U.S. food system, leading to labor shortages, crop losses, potential food price increases, and economic challenges for farmers and related industries. Some experts and advocates argue for comprehensive immigration reform to address these challenges and ensure a stable and sustainable agricultural workforce.
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Thread Level: 2

Time to annex Mexico (after Canada and Greenland, of course).

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:45 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Isn't it kind of immoral to put your pocketbook over human rights?

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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"virtual slave wages".

Thread Level: 3

What’s your solution to this problem?

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:38 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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We've been over this but you are incapable of learning: pay a fair wage with benefits.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:42 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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I don't care if my tomatoes cost more if it means that children aren't toiling in the fields.

Thread Level: 5

What makes you think I disagree with you? I’m the one who posted the Texas

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:46 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Tribune article that highlights how undocumented immigrants are being treated.

Thread Level: 6

Read your own posts, have a little self awareness.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:47 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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I just referred you to the one that addresses your concern…I wrote it ;-)…now it’s your turn to read

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:23 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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it…Good Grief.

Thread Level: 7

Good luck with that

Author: Frankx (5471 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 1:10 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Always there with the “Leastest”, Fx…a paragon of consistency…

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Let me check with AI.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33579 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:38 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Oh and, by the way, I won't even tell you how I framed the question to AI...

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Do your own AI query as to whether ICE raids/deportations are impacting U.S. harvests…show us

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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what you find…I’m all for discussion and finding the truth in any issue.

Thread Level: 5

Did you listen to the AI podcast I posted below?

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:44 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Pretty sure he shops around to find the summary that fits the desired narrative.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:40 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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You’re pretty sure of many things…especially things you can’t prove.

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Notice you didn't deny it.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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(Chuckling)…falls under the category of “When did you stop beating your wife”…don’t expect

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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any responses to such questions…

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Actually, it doesn't. You could deny it without admitting anything. (LOL)

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:29 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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He could also just change the subject (his normal modus) or not respond at all.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Tomorrow will be 3 months since I asked him about Bernie and private jets.

Author: jakers (13988 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:35 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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And I still do not have his simple explanation as to why "ALL Americans" need to make wholesale lifestyle changes while one of its chief advocates does not.

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And you still haven't responded to my OP of that thread regarding Carl Sagan's remarks on CC...

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:44 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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...go back...watch the video and tell us whether or not you agree with him...and why. The issue of CC is much bigger than Bernie's private jet trips.

Thread Level: 12

You want me to research and debate Carl Sagan before you'll answer a simple question?

Author: jakers (13988 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:22 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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I'm not qualified to critique Carl Sagan one way or another - no one on this board is. I'm asking you to explain your moving goalposts. You can't.

Thread Level: 13

Sadly, a debate with Carl Sagan is no longer possible...all you have to do is watch his presentation

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:16 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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and comment on the details he notes in support of taking action to deal with Climate Change...that was the purpose of my Thread Starter...you haven't done that yet...i.e. you continue to avoid the question raised in that OP...shame on you, Jake.

Thread Level: 14

Still waiting. Today is 3 months.

Author: jakers (13988 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:51 am on Aug 8, 2025
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...and then accuse you of doing that.

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:56 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yep...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33579 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:49 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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If it's not just outright provided to him by the folks who curate his links...for him to then paste here...

Thread Level: 6

LOL…all you have to do is ask your own question…what are you afraid of?…i’ll

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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admit the question is rhetorical ;-)

Thread Level: 7

Do you want me to train a model to post as you? It would save you a lot of time.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:57 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Getting the folks who trained him would save even more time...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33579 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:01 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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When you’re done Fantasizing come back and deal with the issue at hand.

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:10 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Just do your own query of whether or not ICE deportations are impacting harvests…show us

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:01 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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What you find….sheesh…stop beating around the bush and get to work…

Thread Level: 9

My point isn't about that, you know this but you're a dishonest person.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:59 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Thanks for admitting that you're avoiding the question of whether ICE is impacting harvests...

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:57 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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You disingenuous moron.

Author: iairishcheeks (27627 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:46 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Offer $40K + benefits and there will be no shortage of farm laborers.

Thread Level: 2

Trump would be wise to look the other way when it comes to agricultural workers.

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:39 am on Aug 7, 2025
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As the Dems have made abundantly clear, enforcement of the law is discretionary with whomever is in power.

Thread Level: 3

Your awareness and understanding of this issue are lacking...DJT's actions are harmful...not helpful

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:02 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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The Biden admin joined with responsible Republicans to craft the best solution to our Border/Immigration problems in many decades...note that Trump hasn't done a thing about stopping Fentanyl trafficking, or reducing wait times for undocumented immigrants already in the country...among other failures.

Take a few moments to watch this video that I've posted before...more than once...(Don't be afraid...it can only help your understanding)





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The Biden administration's immigration agenda was rejected in the last Presidential election.

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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And the 2024 election result “Regret Rate” continues to grow…especially wrt this issue.

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:28 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Links available upon request…

Thread Level: 6

Political weather vanes shift direction very frequently... especially in non-election cycles.

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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And we have had a lot of experience with the inaccuracy and irrelevancy of polls.

It might even be true that the Dem disapproval rating is not as horrific as it appears... but I wouldn't bet a lot on that.


Link: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/democratic-party

Thread Level: 7

"Real Clear Polling" has taken a hard turn to the right (see link), but with even Republicans

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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regretting their 2024 votes in increasing numbers, you can bet that Dems and many Independents are even more committed to removing all vestiges of Trumpism in the upcoming elections.

Link: https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/real-clear-politics-was-a-trusted-go-to-source-for-unbiased-polling-the-trump-era-changed-its-tone-and-funding-sources/

Thread Level: 2

Where is this supposedly happening?

Author: PaND (2769 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:35 am on Aug 7, 2025
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Everywhere! It's why Trump needs to legalize undocumented farmworkers

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:45 am on Aug 7, 2025
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In my view he should also offer residency to illegals who've lived here for some time, albeit without any path to citizenship.

Link: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/trump-floats-plan-to-legalize-undocumented-immigrant-farmworkers/

Thread Level: 2

Should Trump ignore immigration laws? What other laws should Trump ignore, in your opinion?

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:27 am on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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He’s already ignoring Immigration Laws …does “Due Process” ring any bells?

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:32 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Not as much as you would ignore them. What other laws should he ignore?

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:48 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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LOL…you just brush that one aside!?…I thought all that legal training would sensitize you

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:07 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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to the magnitude of that fault.

As to all Immigration laws …once again I draw your attention to the fact that the Biden administration stood/stands firmly behind the comprehensive re-writing of our Border Security and Immigration laws as evidenced by the Big and Beautiful 2024 Senate Bill on those issues ;-)


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You've now brushed aside my question twice.

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Dems import tens of millions of illegals, and call for more, and demand we take 40 years to give each one due process...thereby using the system to actually deny due process. Congrats...you almost pulled it off. Those folks should apply, and then return to the first country the entered after leaving their homeland, and await their hearing date. That is international law.

Now, answer my question which you brush aside (LOL). you wanted Biden and Trump to ignore immigration laws. What other laws should our president ignore?


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Read the 'Message' portion of my post...which refers you to the Comprehensive Bipartisan Senate

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:07 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Border Security and Immigration Bill which addresses ALL the Laws pertaining to our broken Immigration system...the one that Trump killed in order to keep it from taking away his #1 talking point. That's called "Brushing Aside" my reply to your question. btw, this is all documented and retrievable...plus it's backed up by scores, if not hundreds, of objective reviews. We can go over this again, if you'd like, Ned...whatever it takes to set you straight...are you ready?

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Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:52 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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He ignores questions inconvenient to his narratives. I have first-hand experience with this

Author: MarkHarman (7348 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:34 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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I feel dirty when I post back and forth with him.

Author: NedoftheHill (44859 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:48 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The sunlight from reading the bipartisan Senate Bill's improvements will cleanse you, Ned ;-)...

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:23 am on Aug 8, 2025
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...if you continue to walk away from documented facts and evidence on every issue, you'll never feel clean.

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One thing for sure I haven't done is "Ignore" you and your questions, Mark.

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:12 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Okay, put your money where your mouth is

Author: MarkHarman (7348 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:53 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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How do you explain the entire state of South Carolina found no difference in Covid infection rates for school districts that masked vs. those that didn't? (Per Melanie Barton.) How do you explain no difference in infection rates between Chatham County (which required masking) and Effingham County (which didn't) in Georgia? How do you explain no difference in infection rates between my oldest son's school (which required masking) and my youngest son's (which didn't)?

I've asked you those questions repeatedly and not once did you answer.


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Were there any Controls involved in the studies?...the answer is no...however, the NEJM study of

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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Boston Schools benefitted from the actions of two large school districts that represented nearly 25% of all students...and the study employed rigorous "Difference in Difference" analysis with verifiable data for months before the change in masking took place so as to clearly see the effects...tailor made for assessing results of those schools that required masks and those that didn't. Your referenced studies I suspect don't have that degree of rigor...That's why the NEJM study has value and the others you mention don't.

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So once again you refuse to answer the question and dodge it

Author: MarkHarman (7348 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:21 pm on Aug 7, 2025
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This is REAL WORLD DATA we're talking about...the exact same REAL WORD DATA your vaunted NEJM used to see what happened in Boston.

Face it. Because there is strong evidence that counters your belief system, you won't answer the question. And it's no wonder you refuse to read Dr. Risch's paper. You can criticize Baron's credentials of not being an infectious disease expert but you cannot do the same of Dr. Risch. He took the time - AFTER his colleagues criticized him - to thoroughly study all the data concerning HCQ+ (something your vaunted ID doctor didn't do) and came up with the only logical conclusion the studies show. And if you read his paper you would have no choice but to admit you and your hero the Great Fauchino were wrong. But since that would destroy your narrative - which to you is more important than the truth - you won't read it.


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It's clear you don't understand that not all studies are of equal value or validity...it's why RCTs

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:34 am on Aug 8, 2025
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are so important as compared with Observational Studies...i.e. the inclusion of "Controls". Since it would be unethical to purposely expose children to a deadly pathogen to study the effects of masking, the independent and random decision by two Boston School Districts in the NEJM Study to maintain masking provided an accidental, but perfect opportunity to compare their outcomes with the data both prior to and after the cessation of mask mandates in the other Districts.

The studies you reference are purely Observational and loaded with what are called "Confounding" variables.

Look, I'm not trying to win arguments...I'm trying to help you...you know that from several other interactions we've had.


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