Menu
UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting

UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting

UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting
  • Football
    • 2024 Notre Dame Football Schedule
    • 2024 Notre Dame Roster
    • 2024 Notre Dame Coaching Staff
    • Injury News & Updates
    • Notre Dame Football Depth Charts
    • Notre Dame Point Spreads & Betting Odds
    • Notre Dame Transfers
    • NFL Fighting Irish
    • Game Archive
    • Player Archive
    • Past Seasons & Results
  • Recruiting
    • Commits
    • News & Rumors
    • Class of 2018 Commit List
    • Class of 2019 Commit List
    • Class of 2020 Commit List
    • Class of 2021 Commit List
    • Archives
  • History
    • Notre Dame Bowl History
    • Notre Dame NFL Draft History
    • Notre Dame Football ESPN GameDay History
    • Notre Dame Heisman Trophy Winners
    • Notre Dame Football National Championships
    • Notre Dame Football Rivalries
    • Notre Dame Stadium
    • Touchdown Jesus
  • Basketball
  • Forums
    • Chat Room
    • Football Forum
    • Open Forum
    • Basketball Board
    • Ticket Exchange
  • Videos
    • Notre Dame Basketball Highlights
    • Notre Dame Football Highlights
    • Notre Dame Football Recruiting Highlights
    • Notre Dame Player Highlights
    • Hype Videos
  • Latest News
  • Gear
  • About
    • Advertise With Us
    • Contact Us
    • Our RSS Feeds
    • Community Rules
    • Privacy Policy
  • RSS
  • YouTube
  • Twitter
  • Facebook
Home > Forums > The Open Forum
Login | Register
Upvote this post.
1
Downvote this post.

Systemic racial discrimination in med schools.

Author: MAS (21629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

Make sure you don't end up in your local ER, which is the first place they stick unqualified, new docs.

Link: https://archive.is/UBrjD

Replies to: Systemic racial discrimination in med schools.


Thread Level: 2

It’s really bad, and has been for over 40 years.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60614 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:28 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

It has been terribly unfair to those who had better merit but were rejected.

It is also an unfair Scarlet A on the qualified minority doctors.

But it is MOST unfair to the patients who suffered from poor care.
Nobody cares about diversity when their life is on the line, they care about maximal competence.

Of course I have seen a lot and have lots of stories from medical schools. From hospitals, etc
Of course I won’t share the here.

But I will say the majority of minorities being accepted over other more qualified candidates were the sons & daughters of successful minority parents doctors, lawyers, businessmen/women.
Sadly, this misguided Affirmative Action was not reaching the underpriviliged.

The whole thing is sad. I am not complaining personally. I just knew that I had to score higher and be better as a white male to make, so I did that.
But many deserving people were rejected because of race, sex, and ideology and I know this with certainty for all three.


This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Thread Level: 3

Ty fails to mention more-qualified white applicants rejected for less-qualified minorities

Author: MarkHarman (7349 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 4

You may have missed my post from this past March regarding this same issue...had to do with UCLA's

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:33 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

Medical School and "DEI"...btw...there is no question that UCLA's Geffen Medical School is ranked among the best in the country..

Read the attached L.A. Times article that explains the debunking of a right-wing meme...and why 'Grades' aren't the ONLY measure of acceptance...there, or at any top tier Med School...like UCLA.


Link: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-05-30/is-ucla-a-failed-medical-school-debunking-a-dumb-right-wing-meme

Thread Level: 4

He needs to be an expert but knows literally nothing. (And pretends he is an ND grad)

Author: BaronVonZemo (60614 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:01 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%2Fid%2FOIP.0yTMC5M9zlJRI6zf2qIlXQHaE7%3Fpid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=0415f1e1a42bd2325f03993117d818c21c06586dfd0cdf931f9e634e39dd136c&ipo=images

Thread Level: 5

It’s telling that he reveals nothing about himself nor does anything to prove he’s a grad

Author: WoodstockIrish (14727 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:43 am on Aug 8, 2025
View Single

One of the strangest individuals I’ve ever (virtually) met. Though he has some pretty strong competition from 6-7 others here.

Thread Level: 5

I didn't need an MD to correct you (twice) on posts about Masking during COVID ;-)...as far as

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:44 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

Expertise is concerned...I've got all I need from family physicians whose grades alone qualified for any Residency...how many Med School grads entering "The Match" get accepted for interviews at top tier Hospitals, like Columbia, Harvard, Penn, Stanford and UCSF?

If you're so confident, Baron...come out from behind your curtain and engage with me...coward.


Thread Level: 4

Noooooo

Author: Frankx (5471 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 5:50 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 3

Baron fails to mention that ALL Med Students must eventually score well enough on their STEP

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

tests and interviews with Residencies in order to move forward with their careers. From discussions with our family Docs (that Baron wishes weren't real) about this very issue, I've learned that virtually all Medical Schools...including the Top Tier Schools that everyone would recognize, involve scores, if not hundreds of staff physicians in the recruitment process in order to maintain excellence...and the Results have been Positive.

btw, MAS' article is from a source (City Journal) that is exceptionally biased against minorities, and mirrors the recent complaint about UCLA's Residency Program.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Journal

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Thread Level: 4

I agree with you on this and I'm content with schools deciding their own admission policies.

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 4:53 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 5

Fortunately, the Constitution is not ok with it nor is the SCOTUS.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60614 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 6

Where in the Constitution does it day they cannot admit anyone they damn please?

Author: Curly1918 (16585 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

As a libertarian I want as little government control of private party decisions as possible. It’s leftists who want the government to decide these issues.

This message has been edited 2 time(s).

Thread Level: 7

Equal protections clause. Almost all med schools are public (govt funded) institutions….

Author: BaronVonZemo (60614 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:20 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

Equal protection clause (14th amendment) which bars racial discrimination by government entities.

Here is the SCOTUS Blog on the case link….

Now, please answer my question right below, because it actually happened/happens.


Link: https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-affirmative-action-programs-in-college-admissions/

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Thread Level: 5

Are you ok w one group being allowed ti take the same failed test over&over until they finally pass?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60614 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:19 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

How about having the answers to a particular hard test being leaked to a particular medical school society?

I had people in my freshman class who had been there for years trying to pass thr same test with no clear limit while non minorities were given one chance to make up a failure and they were kicked out if the failed that one chance.


Thread Level: 2

By no means are grades the only measure by which Med Students are selected...

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

those schools have a responsibility to ensure that health and well being of ALL Americans are attended to.

Here's an AI summary of the reasoning behind Med School student selections...btw, it wasn't that long ago that women were discriminated against when it came to admittance to Medical Schools. For example...OB/GYNs used to be almost all Males...now the percentage of residents is about 80% Female...Baron can probably verify that.
------------------
AI Overview

Medical schools prioritize admitting minority students to foster a more diverse student body and physician workforce, ultimately leading to improved healthcare access and outcomes for all. This approach addresses historical and ongoing disparities in healthcare and ensures that future doctors are better equipped to serve the diverse populations they will encounter.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

1. Addressing Health Disparities:
Improved Patient Outcomes:
Studies show that patients from minority backgrounds may feel more comfortable and have better health outcomes when treated by physicians who share their racial or ethnic background.

Targeted Care:
A diverse physician workforce is better positioned to understand and address the specific health needs of various communities, leading to more effective and culturally sensitive care.

2. Promoting Equity and Inclusion:
Breaking Down Barriers:
.
Increasing minority representation in medical schools helps dismantle systemic barriers that have historically excluded certain groups from the medical profession.
Social Accountability:
.
Medical schools have a responsibility to be socially accountable, ensuring that their graduates reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.

3. Enhancing the Learning Environment:

Diverse Perspectives:
A diverse student body brings a wider range of experiences and perspectives to the classroom, enriching the learning environment for all students.
Cross-Cultural Understanding:


Interactions with students from different backgrounds can foster empathy, cultural humility, and better communication skills, which are crucial for effective teamwork and patient care.

4. Addressing Workforce Needs:

Meeting Future Demand:
As the U.S. population becomes more diverse, the need for healthcare professionals who can effectively serve all communities is growing.


Closing the Gap:
Increasing the number of minority physicians can help address the shortage of healthcare professionals in certain underserved communities.


5. Ethical Considerations:

Social Justice:
Many believe that diversifying medical schools is a matter of social justice, ensuring that opportunities are available to all qualified individuals regardless of their background.
Fairness and Opportunity:

Holistic review practices, which consider a range of factors beyond traditional metrics, help create a more equitable admissions process.

In summary, medical schools strive to admit minority students not just to meet diversity goals but also to improve healthcare quality, address health disparities, and promote a more equitable and inclusive society.

---------------------


Thread Level: 3

I agree with jakers...a lot of rationalization going on there

Author: MarkHarman (7349 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:26 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 4

All Med Schools pay attention to their success rates in getting students into the best residencies..

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

and serving their community hospitals...they are in constant communication over the quality of physicians applying for those spots. If you'd like to learn more about this issue, search this Forum for keyword "UCLA" under my username from back in March of this year.

Thread Level: 3

Only #1 on your list has any minimal, logical value.

Author: jakers (13989 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:48 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

The rest are asinine.

Thread Level: 4

Thanks for your opinion.

Author: TyroneIrish (21077 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Aug 7, 2025
View Single

(no message)

Close
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • RSS