Zelenskyy isn’t helping matters.
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Moron Alert: HENSOU
There is one person to blame for Ukraine, Putin. If you say otherwise, you might be the most ignorant fool on the planet. Damn you are stupud.
He can do a deal or he will lose more men and more land. The
smart move is a deal. Unfortunately, he rejected a deal in Budapest that has cost his country dearly. What a stupid move by him and by Biden.
Of course, Vlad. Hey, where’s your buddy, Eli? Did ICE catch up with him?…
One can only hope.
What a stupid post. I think even Mark would agree with me.
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So, ICE did catch up with your boy. Oh the irony.
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Yeah, he stubbornly keeps defending his nation
The MAGA narrative that he is a big part of the problem is as brain-dead as all other MAGA narratives.
In some conflicts - Gaza, say - there are total assholes on both sides.
In others, the assholes are only one side.
He’s like a guy who needs a lower leg amputation to save his life and refuses the operation.
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Good analogy except there is a shark on his leg and if he doesn't cut it off, it'll eat him whole.
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Utter stupidity
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He doesn’t want peace & certainly not the only viable resolution….
…..which is to draw a line where Russia occupies and call it there (which I have said before).
The problem the Uk really face is that they cannot push Russia back without triggering nuclear conflict.
It’s far from a good deal for them, it is simply the best deal for them. The alternative is constant war, and probably an eventual takeover of their whole country - or WWIII. The US cannot fund this hopeless and non ending conflict forever.
Zelensky is a wannabe dictator who also has revenge in his heart. His people are living a horrible existence.
Putin is worse - he is an in place dictator with eyes on taking anything that he can.
What stops Putin from moving forward again?
Military threat:
A stronger EU army, no more GREEN LIGHT speeches or messaging from the US president, and a clearly conveyed, sincere willingness to get directly involved by the entire western world if they do.
In the future, if Russia masses troops on a border, the US and EU do the same rather than watch it for a month and a half like Biden did (and remember Biden had a past history that Putin remembered of doing NOTHING when he invaded Crimea.
The US and EU also send clear signals by cutting off all trade rather than (for example as happened) assist Russia with its oil delivery project to Europe.
The EU really needs to get off of its ass for the first time in nearly a century now.
This was a horrid Biden Mess left to be fixed. And even though Biden completely enabled the monster Putin in his efforts, his Democratbase will see any peace solution as capitulation to Putin.
But ask: Who promised Ukraine protection when they were convinced to give up their nukes in the 90’s (Budapest Memorandum 1994)? Bill Clinton.
Who failed to deliver on that promise when Putin invaded Crimea? Barack Obama and Joe Biden
Who told Putin a that a limited invasion could be tolerable - and then later tried unsuccessfully to put the words back in his mouth? Joe Biden.
This is less than ideal, but the Dems already guaranteed no chance at the optimal outcome with Putin which was not allowing an invasion in the first place.
Ridiculous. “He doesn’t want peace.” His nation has been invaded…
by a larger and stronger nation. Far be it from him and is military to fight back.
What would you do if our homeland was invaded? Just fall in line with the pussies? We’d fight to the end, right?
Yes, and he would have to face elections & give up power. He's just less bad.
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Get acquainted with the Ukrainian Constitution. No elections during a state of martial law.
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And he is worried Trump will give Putin whatever he wants
Zalenskyy is negotiating from the outside.
Trump is suddenly obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize. He is liable to give all of Ukraine to Putin.
What is your endpoint, junior?
While you allow your TDS to rule your imagination (Nobel Peace prize would never give Trump anything & Trump even said that).
Shall we wage war until we get 10 million deaths....with no possible way to win without WWIII?
End it where it is.
Yep. Trump already said he believes there will be lost territory…
The Ukrainian constitution be damned.
Because he’s not submissive to Putin?
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Like Obama when Putin invaded Crimea? Like Biden when he gave his Green Light speech to Putin?
Putin had troops amassed on Ukraines border for around 6 weeks with no response from the US or EU and a past history of allowing the Crimean incursion and takeover. And then that Green Light message from. Biden, AND the message from Biden that the US is going to end Trump’s ban on helping Russia complete their Nordstream II pipeline under the Black Sea to allow making even MORE money selling overly dependent Europe it’s oil while dismantling Trumps efforts to try to provide Europe its needs instead.
Putin expected no resistance at all. The US leader had already capitulated in the past, and Europe needed its oil to heat homes in the winter.
And he would have gotten none of Ukraine had surprised everyone by hanging on for so long.
What would you have done if you were in charge during those incidents?…
Not defending Biden, Obama, or Clinton, but the only thing Putin understands is conflict. Would you have been willing to start a war? So you think Trump has handled Ukraine well? He appeased Putin until recently. The Alaska meeting will most likely be nothing more than a circle jerk. Putin is most likely scouting out land for a vacation home rather than negotiating a peace plan.
I know-we've covered this. But he banned all rival political parties & closed the churches. Those
aren't in the Ukrainian constitution.
He also is very clearly manipulative and lying and putting the best interest of his people behind his own need to maintain power.
Nope. He outlawed the Russian “puppets” and rightly so.
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Rival parites became "Russian puppets", eh? I stand by my post.
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Here you go…
On 20 March 2022, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced a ban on 11 political parties for alleged ties with Russia: Opposition Platform — For Life, Party of Shariy, Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Derzhava, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialists ...
How does this not fit with dictatorship?
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You always fall back on that false premise. Once again and I’ll type slowly…
for you. There are no elections allowed in the Ukraine during a state of martial law. Do you need me to post a copy of the Ukrainian constitution?
I understand that. He is still behaving like a dictator & not always in best interests of his people
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What’s best for his people? Ceding territory, appeasing Putin?
It’s so easy for us to judge from afar. We’re not fighting an illegal invader. We’re not fighting for our very existence and we’re not subjected to ridiculous demands.
You have to be alive to enjoy territory.
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So,, surrender is the only option. Got it
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No. Just accept the loss and be proud of what you saved - best that could've been done given
the situation (There is a real price for liberal appeasers in the WH).
Accept the loss = surrender. I don’t see the Ukraine surrendering…
And it’s easy for you to say. You have zero skin in the game. You couldn’t care less about the Ukraine or its people. That’s sad to me.
Rival parties that were Putin cocksuckers…yes and most if not all of them were
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Z claims that...and all 11 of them?
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Yes and I believe he’d know better than you.
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So, we are to trust him....the guy who has grabbed the power....
...I have to run now...we'll talk later
We? I trust him and people with common sense trust him, but you people…
would rather let Putin run amok on Ukraine and Eastern Europe. That’s what isolationists believe.
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I'd have bolstered them from the start before they came in, Not allowed our aid for their pipeline,
and NOT have given the Green Light go ahead speech that Biden did.
Of course, it is no sure thing that he feared Biden anyways given his inaction with the Crimean invasion.
Bolstered what and with who?
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With the arms they asked for that Biden wouldn't give them until weeks after the actual invasion
I'd have given the ukrainians the arms ahead of time and was in favor of it.
No you wouldn’t have. You’re a Trumper.
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He’s in no position to dictate absolutes.
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Libs wrongly think Trump is negotiating for Zelensky. He is not. He is negotiating for the US.
Zelensky is in no way being hindered from carrying on this war without the US if he rejects a compromise deal. Sadly, thanks to Biden there is really no alternative other than endless war, more death, and possibly WWIII.
Perhaps the EU feels differently - they can figure that out.
If Putin is intransigent, then the US will have to stay in to prevent further aggression.
Exactly.
Trump will truthfully say he brokered a peace deal.
Zelenskyy thinks he can dictate terms.
Trump will say “You’re on your own”
Europe will have to step up. As they should.
The USA can stop funding a proxy war.
Ha! No one is mistaking these negotiations as help to the Ukraine. Trump’s main concern is the…
Nobel Peace Prize.