70% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace.
Conor and the Chickenhawks say to push on.
Ukrainians neck deep in the Big Muddy. The big fools say to push on.
Link: https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
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Trump is probably their best bet to get out of this. Protracted war is not a good thing for them.
Ukraine's best outcome is to keep Russia at bay for some period of time.
Sure, maybe a new administration comes in and re-invigorates them with more arms and troops, but do they really want to sign up as Israel/Palestine 2.0?
Putin has a Czarist/Soviet mindset. The people can be brutalized into ANYTHING.
Unless his economy implodes and folks are starving and/or freezing... he can simply grind Ukraine into the dustbin of history... even at the cost of a million Russians and creation of a North Korean society.
100%. I think Ukraine can get out of this by ceding some territory, but there need to be protection
Maybe a U.S. military base on its western edge, or the capacity to put geosynchronous satellites in orbit on the border, or something. But, Putin can't be allowed to take territory then ramp things back up the next time the U.S. administration is pro-conflict, which is what I'd worry about if I were Ukraine.
Don't forget Crimea...this is Putin's second strike...and also don't forget the lessons learned from
Hitler prior to WWII...e.g. ceding the "Sudetenland" to him. Putin needs to be stopped now...no more aggression tolerated. The EU knows what the stakes are...sadly, we have a President who is backing Putin...as evidenced by Trump's failure to apply tariffs to Russia.
No self respecting American...much less Patriotic Conservative...should give any part of Ukraine to Putin. Ramp up the pressure on Vlad so that he has no choice but to disengage and pull back from all seized Ukrainian lands taken since Feb. 2022...plus a negotiated amount of reparations.
Conservatives want nothing to do with Obama/Biden's wars - i.e., Crimea and Ukraine
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Unsurprising. It’s part of why Zelensky eliminated all political opposition.
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I think you mean Putin sumpathizers.
These folks expect that Putin will make them his useful puppets if he manages to conquer the country.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/27/world/europe/pro-russia-politicians-ukraine-trump.html
I have no illusions about Putin. But all 11 parties eliminated by Z were not “Putin Sympathizers”.
You have to open your mind and look at the facts. They point to:
1) a monster who invaded - Putin
2) an authoritarian ruler wannabe who appears using the situation for his own grab of power and wealth, and who needs the war to continue at all costs.
There have been enough signs of it. I am not saying that this is definite, but I am saying that we should be wary of it.
I hope that I am wrong, but I suspect that if Trump somehow brokers a compromise deal with Russia, Zelensky will do something himself to scuttle the deal.
Because Putin is so bad, there is a tendency to just assume that the other side so good. But Ukraine govt was one of the most corrupt nations in the world before the attack (known to both R’s and D’s - see Burisma as a small example). Uk being attacked unfairly might have eliminated that corruption, but I doubt it.
We already covered this, but feel free to beliefe what you want…
Which, of course, is what they would claim to seize control. A catch 22. But…
Z has a history of tough behavior against journalist who write the wrong things …but even that has been “fact checked” to his favor. Sigh.
I can site polls, and you can doubt them as well.
We are left with only a few things we can be sure of:
-Ukrainians are dying in large numbers daily.
-The war is unwinnable without triggering WWIII.
- the cost is unsustainable for allies
-Putin is a monster
My answer - compromise for peace but make it verifiable. Make it clear to Zelensky that if he scuttles the deal with an attack or some such, he is on his own until Uk changes leadership - and pressure for that change.
I’m OK with a compromised peace deal, but to what extent?
Putin is steadfast on his demands…Ukraine giving up Donbas, its claim to Crimea, de-militarized, remain neutral, puppet government friendly to Russia…
I hope the President gets through to the savage, tomorrow. I’ll be rooting for him (President)
I'd like to ensure Ukraine access to the Black Sea for economic survival. This map is depressing
I think that they have to get a back & forth from each side....neither of which wants to concede anything. It is an uphill battle.
We cannot control Putin, but it would be a lot easier to get to a deal if Zelensky weren't obstinate about things. Then there could carrots offered along with sticks instead of just sticks.
Once a deal is struck, the place is secured by the West like there is no tomorrow. Because we know that Putin will be back if he can.
Link: https://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.11679266819489;37.739980468749984&zoom=8
Why wouldn’t they? They’ve been at war for 3 + years.
It’s been brutal for them defending their country against Putin.
It ought not be Ukraine’s burden to make a deal, simply for the sake of any deal.
It should be Russia’s burden to make concessions and provide security guarantees. And the United States should be applying pressure to Russia, not Ukraine.
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth at once.
Conor:“They should be sick of this war which has cost them so dearly……and they should’ve have to make any concessions, Russia should! (Which means that they should keep mired in war).
You say that having experienced none of the brutality yourself. You sit comfortably a distance with your anti Trump motives while they are being steadily killed and have no hope of winning.
Quite the contrary. You want the abused spouse to accept the demands of her Ahole spouse.
Ukraine is our friend. Europe is our ally.
Yet, you and many other posters have always saddled Ukraine with the responsibility and burden to concede to Putin's unprovoked aggression. It shows your lack of character and lack of principle.
Baron spouts Putin’s talking points so well and then says he has “no illusions” about him…
…BVZ is the best at talking from both sides of his mouth.
Uk people want a compromise peace. You want war to continue from your comfy chair cuz it
offends your sensibilities and politics.
You have to somehow couch your desire for Ukraine to continue with this unwinnable war in a way that makes you seem to care about those very lives that you are espousing to be sacrificed for your own desires.
This, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
And what about Putin’s serfs? Cool with dying for a puny crypto-czar?
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Define “negotiated.”
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Better to ask the Ukrainian people.
I think the conclusion to draw is that Ukraine has lost a generation of men over this quixotic war and they don't want more pointless deaths. Seems reasonable. I wouldn't support losing a generation of Americans to hold onto Alaska if that were the reality of the situation.
You can bet that a whole lot more Ukrainians would die under Putin if he gets his way...he won't
stop with just a nibble of Ukrainian territory...he wants it all...and definitely doesn't want Ukraine to be a shining example of a democracy right next store to him.
This battle is for all the marbles and Ukraine will not surrender.
I hear you, but think about it…
If America was attacked, we’d never give up no matter what. I believe the Ukrainians feel the same. My point is that Russia will demand too much to make peace a possibility in the near future. Russia has a wartime economy:
There ar those on the American Left who want this war for their own political gain at the expense of
Uk lives.
I know that you’re not one of them.
MAS is probably correct that the populations opinion has skewed because so many of those who wanted to fight until the bitter end are now dead.
Name them, exactly who are you talking about when you make this comment?
Let me guess, you can't do my "homework" for me.