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Ty, have you checked the satellite temperature record? It's dropping like a rock

Author: MarkHarman (7373 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:29 am on Aug 16, 2025
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Link: https://www.drroyspencer.com

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Faux Irish!

Author: BaronVonZemo (61067 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:52 am on Aug 17, 2025
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And Now...out of Left Field...we bring you "Drunk Uncle"!...WooHoo!...Enjoy! ;-)

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:27 pm on Aug 17, 2025
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Ever heard of a "Trend Line"?

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:50 am on Aug 16, 2025
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Not sure you’re aware, but MH is the board’s science expert

Author: Chris94 (37111 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:35 am on Aug 16, 2025
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He googles science. And as it turns out, science lines up with all his preconceived notions. And if not, he keeps googling until it does.

That’s how science is done, Tyrone.


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No, I actually am repeating what experts in the field are saying

Author: MarkHarman (7373 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Aug 16, 2025
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Have you read Dr. Risch's paper? Have you written him? harvey.risch@yale.edu.

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While I definitely sympathize with Mark, he's not the only one here who's unfamiliar with the

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Aug 16, 2025
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foundational elements of Science, in all its 'flavors'. He's never had to actually "Live It" in education at the highest levels...or in a career....but I'm willing to help...hopefully, he'll listen.

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Tyrone is well aware of how to manipulate Google to his advantage

Author: ColeyO (12614 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:08 am on Aug 16, 2025
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If you ever find an error in something I've posted I Insist that you point it out...with evidence...

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:25 am on Aug 16, 2025
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so that we can get to the truth of any issue or topic. (WARNING:...you'll need to defend your position as well, if a challenge is required)

Thus far, I haven't seen you do that, Coley.

BTW, that method works quite well for me...I've been able to cite Baron's own posts and links as documented evidence of his own errors...especially before he hid behind the OF's "Ignore" curtain...guess he couldn't take the embarrassment any longer.


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Link

Author: ColeyO (12614 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:45 am on Aug 16, 2025
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Snow in Rio!

Author: Curly1918 (16697 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:10 am on Aug 16, 2025
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I lived there for a few years and... none of the buildings have heat!

Brrrrrrr!


Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-snow-transforms-brazil-winter-183101724.html

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Juneau, Alaska with first ever Heat Advisory...South England growing Champagne grapes...Marine

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Aug 16, 2025
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Species moving toward the Poles...

There are a lot more "Global Warming Anecdotes" than your "Rio" comment (Source/Context??)...in actuality, Rio is suffering CC effects, including record heat waves...intensified rainfall and flooding, along with rising sea levels...but don't just take my word for it...do your own search and show us sustained studies arguing against Global Warming.


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Yes, and the past 25 years it's gone up a whopping 0.3°C

Author: MarkHarman (7373 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:13 am on Aug 16, 2025
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We have ultra sensitive instruments today that never existed before. Are you going to tell me before the Industrial Revolution the Earth's temperature never had an increase like that over a 25-year period?

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I’ve been following Dr. Spencer’s temperature reports for nearly that long…

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:30 pm on Aug 16, 2025
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Take a look at the entire period…from the beginning. Global troposphere temps have risen nearly 1 deg C …and his 13 month average is now accelerating to new highs…btw, ocean temps are rising as well.

Couple that with CO2 increases to 425+ ppm (vs previous high of 300 ppm) and you have clear evidence of global warming on pace to exceed the IPCC “limit “ of 2 deg C. for this century.

Logically, all this data does not spell “Ice Age”…someone’s on the wrong side of this issue…it’s not me.


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The 13-month average has been declining...not sure what you're looking at

Author: MarkHarman (7373 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:53 pm on Aug 16, 2025
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Another thing to consider wrt CC...since Dr. Spencer accepts the physics of man-made warming, he may

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:26 am on Aug 18, 2025
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be depending too much on "Carbon Sinks" (i.e. Oceans and Land Vegetation)...studies are showing that they are under stress (especially due to wildfires and droughts on land), thus allowing global temperatures to rise more quickly...as we are seeing in the last decade.

Here's some additional info on that issue...
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While scientists are increasingly concerned about the potential for climate change to trigger tipping points and accelerate warming, there is no definitive scientific consensus that natural CO2 sinks have become fully saturated, leading to an immediate and significantly steeper rise in global temperatures.

Here's a more nuanced breakdown:

The role of natural carbon sinks

Natural carbon sinks, such as oceans and land-based ecosystems (like forests and soil), absorb a significant portion of human-caused CO2 emissions, slowing the rate of atmospheric CO2 increase and global warming.

These sinks have been crucial in mitigating climate change, removing about half of the CO2 emitted by human activities.

Concerns about the future of carbon sinks

However, there is growing evidence that the capacity and efficiency of these natural sinks are being impacted by climate change itself and other human activities like deforestation.

For example, rising ocean temperatures decrease CO2 solubility, making the ocean less effective at absorbing it.

Droughts, heatwaves, and wildfires can reduce the carbon-absorbing capacity of forests and soils.

Some studies suggest that land sinks may be weakening faster than projected by some models.

The 2024 Global Carbon Budget estimates that ocean and land sinks were 6% and 27% smaller, respectively, this decade (2014-2023) than they would have been without climate change.

Carbon sink saturation and tipping points

Saturation doesn't necessarily mean a complete shutdown: Instead, it might imply a decrease in the efficiency or rate of CO2 absorption by natural sinks, meaning they remove a smaller proportion of future emissions.

Tipping points are a major concern: Crossing critical thresholds (tipping points) in the climate system could lead to self-reinforcing feedback loops, potentially accelerating warming and having irreversible consequences.

Examples of potential tipping points relevant to carbon sinks:

Thawing permafrost, which releases methane, a potent greenhouse gas.

Dieback of the Amazon rainforest, potentially turning it from a carbon sink into a carbon source.

Recent observations are a source of worry: Studies suggest that land carbon sinks, while not completely collapsing, showed a significant decline in CO2 uptake in 2023, potentially influenced by extreme weather events like heat and drought.

Conclusion

While natural carbon sinks are still absorbing CO2, their capacity is finite and appears to be under increasing strain due to climate change and human activities. Some studies indicate a weakening efficiency of these sinks and raise concerns about the possibility of reaching saturation points, especially in the context of increasing global temperatures and extreme weather events.

Crossing these thresholds would represent an acceleration of climate change and underscore the urgency of transitioning to net-zero emissions as rapidly as possible.
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Mark, there will always be fluctuations in global temperatures...but the Trend Line is definitely UP

Author: TyroneIrish (21465 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:29 am on Aug 17, 2025
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...just look at the first temps he measured back in 1978 versus those in July, 2025, which have accelerated over the last 10-15 years. Remember that Dr. Spencer Agrees with the physics or Man Made Global Warming...and his own data supports a 2 deg. C increase (at least) over a 100 yr period. Again...the TREND is UP.

Here's an AI summary of why global temps fluctuate...(keep an eye on the next cycle coming up before very long.
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AI Overview

Dr. Roy Spencer's global temperature averages fluctuate due to a combination of natural climate variability and the influence of human activities. While Spencer acknowledges that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions contribute to warming, he emphasizes the role of natural factors, particularly cloud cover, in causing short-term fluctuations and influencing the overall warming trend.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Natural Climate Variability:
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The Earth's climate naturally fluctuates due to factors like ocean currents, solar variations, and volcanic eruptions. These can cause periods of warming and cooling, even without human influence.

Cloud Cover:
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Spencer's research focuses on the role of clouds in regulating temperature. He suggests that changes in cloud cover, driven by natural variability, can significantly impact global temperatures.

Human Influence:
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While Spencer acknowledges that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are a factor, he argues that their impact is often overestimated and that natural variability plays a more substantial role in short-term temperature fluctuations.
Data Uncertainty:
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Spencer also points out the uncertainties associated with climate data, particularly satellite temperature measurements, and suggests that some warming trends might be within the range of natural variability.

In essence, Spencer's view is that the observed fluctuations in global temperatures are a complex interplay of natural and human-caused factors, with natural variability playing a more significant role in short-term changes than is often acknowledged.

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