Utter incompetence by IC (again),or BidenHandlers ignored warning-first reporter Q to Biden will be
“President Biden, what is your favorite flavor of ice cream”?
I will guarantee you that it wasn’t the NYT or WaPo reporters who were asking Biden the tough questions at his July presser. At some point, the answer as to which possibilities listed above will have to be answered. But the spin is going to be “it was inevitable and Joe was the victim of finally doing the needed thing as a noble and selfless leader “ BS.
But we all know differently.
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I hear a fly.
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The blame lies entirely with the Afghan leadership, mil and civ
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Moved goalpost as you always did. It's not about collapsed of Afghan gov. It's about why so fast
it collapsed, far early than estimate from us(Biden admin, military and intel). The reason why Biden admin told the world 6 months ago we would withdraw from Afghan on 20th anniversary of 9/11 because they were confident that Afghan gov can hold it at least for some time. It turned out Taliban call his bluff, making it look like America being drove out of their country.
Only a Glass Bead Game academic could see reality this way.
You do recall that Magister Ludi drown in the frigid waters of reality while chasing a naked young boy?
I kinda want to see your library.
Coincidentally I just added Siddhartha to my list of books to read the other day.
What a good, loyal progressive. Looks like the left has settled on this spin - blame the Afghanis
Our hands are clean. Nothing we could do. It was inevitable.
Afghanis are being dragged from their homes and slaughtered by the Taliban.
4 days ago our esteemed intelligence community estimated that Kabul could fall within 90 days. I guess they were right.
Blame who you want, but this is a disgraceful moment for America.
Maybe a teensy bit of blame to go to the experts and pros that didn't anticipate this.
I am all for pulling out of this Afghani skank whore of a war that has lasted way too long and IMO never should have involved "boots on the ground" in the first place.
But the failure to anticipate along with poor planning and execution of the pullout are so bad that there is near universal consensus that there is more blame to go around than you're willing to acknowledge.
Like I asked Baron above...how could a pullout have gone differently?
And no one is more surprised by the Taliban’s success than the Taliban.
No one thought the Afghan army would melt away so fast. The question will be whether we could have done better in training them, or if they were simply untrainable.
I bet it’s the latter.
More than the end result at stake here.
Which is why we're sending troops back to create a more organized and humane exit. So just based on this reversal, it could have "gone differently".
My first thought is succession planning, tiered transition based not on a timetable but on achievement of goals. The cut and run strategy is always available, but shouldn't be the first choice in most cases.
Obviously I am not a foreign policy or military expert nor is it an area of competency I claim , but I think it's fair to question the expertise and competency of these experts given the results.
You seem to be arguing it couldn't have gone better (everyone is surprised) while there's a near consensus that it could not have gone worse.
All projections had the Afghan gvmt holding out for months, at least
Planning to get our allies out was based on that projection.
We wildly overestimated the Afghan army. The army that we trained for 20 years...and that outnumbered the Taliban by more than 4 to 1.
It was reasonable to expect that they wouldn’t just melt away.
So no one is responsible for the projections?
And no one responsible for contingencies?
Did I say that? They were obviously wrong.
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"The blame lies entirely with the Afghan leadership, mil and civ"
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OK, blame us for thinking they had any honor.
Blame us for wanting to save their country and people more than they did.
We made our share of mistakes. But all of them involve overestimating the Afghans.
This collapse just makes it painfully clear that staying was pointless.
Now lots of innocent people will suffer because of their leaders’ incompetence and venality.
Wowza.
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Of course not. These people are experts, you rube.
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The great thing about being an expert in our modern world is that you don't have to be right.
Sorta like academic tenure.
About anything. Even in your chosen field.
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Especially.
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Re: Like I asked Baron above...how could a pullout have gone differently?
Doesn't it bother you that our Military and Intelligent services apparently were clueless?
So we do nothing to prevent genocide? Why is it always somebody else’s fault with a lib prez?
Posted at 3:59 pm on Aug 15, 2021
“I did nothing wrong.”
You had me at “I did nothing”.
It’s not going to be a genocide.
But it’s not going to be pretty.
These are medieval cretins...which makes it even more amazing that the good Afghans did not resist them. Most provincial capitals fell without any resistance at all.
Our president said it was highly unlikely the Taliban would succeed.
Posted at 4:19 pm on Aug 15, 2021
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Yep. He was wrong.
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No,Biden is in charge of our worldwide image and taking care of our allies…..listen to the MSNBC
report that Jim linked below. The translators and janitors, etc. who helped us were not given a real way to get out…they will be tortured and executed.
The Afghan govt is not responsible for making sure that the Taiwanese know that they can trust us to be there, etc, etc. BidenHandler is responsible.
As you know, I am in favor of a withdrawal, but you are dead wrong if you think this is the only way this could have been done under the circumstances just like you were dead wrong that our economy couldnt come back to former in 2015. You have this erudite habit of assuming that if your guys can’t handle a problem, then it can’t be handled rather than admitting your own weaknesses and limitations.
They telegraphed their moves and then they removed the protection first assuming that they could count on the Afghan forces for enough protection to allow time to leave. But it is either a failure of leadership or a failure of Intelligence to have made that wrong assumption that even the lib reporter on the street for MSNBC seemd to know.
Over under on Biden losing his shit on some poor reporter who asks a legit question about this?
The question is will this have any impact on the midterms? Covid still roaring with lock downs looming, massive infrastructure bill that barely addresses infrastructure but throws tons at gender & race garbage, now a massive foreign policy boner with pissed off allies?
Old Joe is wise to call it after one term. Assuming of course that's what he's told to do...
We're dealing with a lot of shit here!
Actually shitting his pants may not be far away.
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Mr. President, what flavor ice cream did you order…
…in Camp David while the Taliban were humiliating the armed forces you command?
Does total defeat taste better with Rocky Road?
OK expert, how could a pullout have been done better?
Keep in mind we had about 3500 troops there. They could have been pulled out on 10 airliners.
We were doing it slowly, over the course of months.
If the Afghans wee unprepared for this, they would have been unprepared whenever or however it happened.
I agree that Biden bears some blame here...but he inherited a 20-year failure.
As usual you seem quite comfortable with the murder of innocent people.
Posted at 4:16 pm on Aug 15, 2021
our president severely underestimated the speed of the Taliban.
He could have spent another several months evacuating the embassy and USA loyal Afghanis
Then let the troops turn out the lights
Enjoy the humanitarian disaster that will follow
as the poor flee and seek asylum
Cheer up, Goat. The Taliban is strongly anti-abortion.
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What the hell is the matter with you. Is that your Ace card for this?
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Delete!
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Have you lost your head? Hard to have kids when you are murdered.
Posted at 4:34 pm on Aug 15, 2021
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So, the spin is going to be that this shit show could not have been improved upon?
Good luck with that one, Hoss.
It’s not spin. This is what withdrawal looks like.
Explain to me how it could have gone better and I’ll listen.
And if you say it could have gone “slower”, keep in mind that it was going slow already.
The announcement itself caused the Afghan army to quit, not the manner.
This is incorrect. I will talk later as i have to go.
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Ok - couple of thoughts-1)how about maintaining an Airbase like like we do at Guantanamo
This could be a place where people who helped us could stay until they are moved out, it would also give us needed access in that part of the world, and would remain as a deterrent threat
2. How about leaving our own fully capable fighting troops in the bases in the country until people are out. We foolishly relied on the Afghanies.
If this was the only possible result, we never should have pulled out.
Bagram airbase was valuable real estate. We should have kept the small number of troops and larger number of mercenaries in country. This is going to come back and bite us in the ass. This was a totally humiliating defeat for the United States. We handed the jihadis a propaganda coup.
Maybe so... time will tell
This article is excellent.
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/15/afghanistan-military-collapse-taliban/
Good distraction from the Biden regime Covid19 failures
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General CRT Milley,Lloyd Raytheon Austin are traitorous bureaucrats
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What do you think the chances are that Gen. Milley will be sent packing?
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Zero. The libs are impressed by his study of White Rage.
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I figured as much.
I'm trying to come up with a good comparison for Milley. You see him and you think this is Sgt. Rock, but then he starts talking and you realize he's just another weak, obsequious political creature, doing the bidding of whoever is employing him at the moment. We're running with our tail between our legs from stone age warlords and we have this guy near the top? Of course, he will take no responsibility for this.
Milley was after Trumpsters and forgot about The Taliban.
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