We will likely hit a narco state in the Western hemisphere. Unlike the Ukraine war, I support this.
If you are in our hemisphere, you either support us or stay neutral, but you never harm us. If you harm us by flooding our borders with deadly drugs, then you get a boot up your ass. It’s the Monroe doctrine and the American way.
Link: https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1965133739857711424
Replies to: We will likely hit a narco state in the Western hemisphere. Unlike the Ukraine war, I support this.
I’m good with it as long as we use overwhelming force and inflict maximum casualties
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Re-establishing dominance over our hemisphere and making an example of Venezuela - not a bad idea.
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If we attack Venezuela, China will be the hardest hit.
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I’m good with that, too. Napalm those bitches
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Seriously, China does not belong in the Western Hemisphere.
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Agree.
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Sure why not. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction also. You guys
never quit.
Not that. Haven’t really thought about it, or read up on it.
That would be a disaster which is my point as most stupid ass knee jerk reactions are.
What would you propose?
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It would benefit their own populations.
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True. We’re also sending a message to countries in our hemisphere to not align with China.
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We need to dominate our hemisphere going forward, let Europe do the NATO thing.
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It sure will make us feel good, dadgumit!
Sure, it won't do a damn thing to stop the flow of drugs. But - explosions!
The John Mearsheimer school of realism that predicts that countries will act
when it is in their security interests to do so predicts another military campaign.
This is a move against China as much as it is a move against drugs coming through our border.
Realism, you say? Tell me more.
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Not a surprise that you need an education.
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The sarcasm and name calling comes out when he ain’t got nothing, which is often
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Hegseth loves explosions.
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You don't think our intelligence organizations and military can substantially slow drug flow?
...along with a controlled border?
Or, are you just betting on a Democrat president coming along later to restore the flow of drugs (and human traffickers) to keep people on the government plantations?
You’re joking, right?
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Of course not. But, where do you stand? These people are worse than Russians, don't you agree?
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They’re on the same level as the Russian savages…
And the “war on drugs” has been tried before. Did you forget the Reagan and Bush years? We had special forces and support elements in Columbia and surrounding countries. It didn’t work. If Trump is talking about a full invasion, that’s different.
The tech has developed since then.
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A full scale invasion is required to make a dent in the drug trade. Not sure if Trump’s willing…
to do that.
"Facts About Fentanyl Smuggling"...and why Trump isn't taking action to stop the #1 means of
Fentanyl Trafficking...from the attached article...
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Over the last decade, a surge in the availability and use of synthetic opioids has led to a staggering toll of overdoses in the United States. From 2013 to 2023, the national drug overdose death rate more than doubled, with drug overdose deaths peaking in 2022 at 107,941. Much of this was due to the rise in fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid commonly used for pain management in hospital settings, which was also responsible for 70 percent of overdose deaths in 2023. While overdose deaths have fallen from their record highs, the threat posed by synthetic opioids remains—as does the importance of properly understanding how fentanyl enters the United States.
This fact sheet uses two separate datasets to confirm what has long been reported by law enforcement sources and other researchers: that the majority of fentanyl smuggled across the southern border enters not on the backs of migrants crossing the border on foot, but in the vehicles and on the bodies of U.S. citizens and other lawful entrants seeking admission at land ports of entry. Using two separate datasets described below, we confirm roughly four in five people apprehended for smuggling fentanyl into the United States at the southern border between October 2018 and June 2024 were U.S. citizens—the rest were largely individuals with visas, border crossing cards, or other permission to enter the United States lawfully at a port of entry.
Despite this reality, many Americans falsely believe that migrants are the ones bringing fentanyl into the country. This narrative has been fueled by political rhetoric that seeks to link the issue of migration at the southern border directly with the opioid epidemic. However, this data shows conclusively that the two issues are distinct. Migrants are not responsible for the fentanyl epidemic. Rather, there is bipartisan agreement that efforts to reduce the volume of fentanyl smuggled across the southern border should focus primarily on ports of entry, where millions of people enter every month. Longstanding weaknesses in port security permit transnational criminal organizations to hide small volumes of the powerful synthetic opioid among other lawful trade and traffic and remain the border’s biggest vulnerability to fentanyl smuggling.
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The Trump administration knows this...Yet, DJT in his first term...and now in his 2nd term, has Failed to support any Congressional legislation that would Fund High Tech Fentanyl Scanners for Cars and Trucks coming into this country by the tens of thousands...Every...Single...Day. Note that the Biden/Harris Administration DID sponsor such Funding in a Senate Bill that Trump killed...and hasn't done a thing to resurrect.
Talk about "Open Borders" and a Drug Crisis...pure hypocrisy on Trump's part.
Link: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/fentanyl-smuggling/
Interdiction does not work
The drugs will always find a way.
Sky-high demand and major profits to be made.
And targeting Venezuela is weird, since they are not the main problem.
Let's talk about interdiction, what do you think of the Portugal model?
I think it’s really interesting. They had problems in Oregon, though.
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Oregon is micro, Portugal is macro. Have to expand the study, IMO.
Because, I think we agree on this, the war.on drugs was lost decades ago. It's unwinnable
This isn't weed farms in national parks.
The chemicals needed to make fentanyl are 97% coming from chemical manufacturers in China, made by the cartels in Mexico and coming across the open borders. This can be stopped through diplomacy, border security and targeting the cartels themselves.
Stop the chemicals, stop the deaths.
I agree. I wrote about it in the link.
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Disagree. We now have the intelligence tools to take these guys out.
But what would you propose as an alternative?
Sure Ned keep believing those fairy tales.
Do you guys ever not buy a neo con quick solution?
We used the tech in Iraq. Heard a piece on it on PBS ... those neocons!
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That went well. You guys just can’t resist big bombs and
explosions whether they make a difference or not.
They sound big and beautiful.
Actually, it did...at least the part I'm talking about.
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No we don't.
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Link: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/donald-trump-mexican-drug-cartels/
Quaaludes is a good point, I was really with you until the revenge paragraph.
I don't think that's what it's about.
Also, Mexico is a fucked up nation for no good reason, they should want our help and we should help them.
3rd paragraph: if we can find Bin Laden, we can find these assholes too.
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I call into question your very first sentence, opioid ODs are down about 30% from the 2022-2023 peak
I would call that a "sign of abating". But I'll look past this and keep reading.
So, you would do nothing?
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Read the piece
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Would you support use of tariffs against China to stop the drugs?
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All we'd have to do is intercept ships between China and Mexico.
They would take evasive measures but it would reduce supply and drive up the cost.
Should there be judicious killings for the drug consumers?
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As opposed to how they are dying now? No. Your idea is not a good one.
I am curious why you would argue against trying to stop the flow of drugs.
Illegal drugs and addiction doesn't begin or end w/ DJT. It was there under Barry & Sleepy Joe.
It affects your fellow lefties and conservatives. It is affecting Americans. Instead of living on an anonymous message board and breaking wise, what are you doing about trying to solve this problem?
Uhm who said it did?
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No one. I said it on my own. Just a friendly reminder to the D Left around here.
The same ones who like to rewrite history.
Carry on then. Keep talking to yourself about things no
one is arguing.
Don't short change your comrades. It's being discussed somewhere.
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