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Supreme Court becoming a wing of an authoritarian government:

Author: conorlarkin (21612 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:52 am on Sep 10, 2025
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From Tom Nichols:

You there. Stop what you’re doing. Take off that tool belt and hard hat—let’s see some ID. Why? Because we don’t think you’re a citizen. Now show us your papers.

This kind of behavior by government officials is now legal in the United States.

Yesterday, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court allowed ICE officials to conduct roving patrols and use racial profiling to stop and detain people for no other reason than their skin color, the language they’re speaking, suspicions about their national origin—or, really, if immigration officials just feel like it.

But wait, you might object. The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. Did the Court explain why that protection apparently no longer applies to you if you’re a day laborer or running a fruit stand?

Good luck with that: This Court’s majority doesn’t explain itself to anyone. It merely lets stand or overturns the decisions of lower courts—lately, almost always in favor of expanding the power of, and corroding any checks on, President Donald Trump.

Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo is a case from Los Angeles about whether ICE can stop people because of a suspicion of their being in the United States illegally, based solely, as SCOTUSblog summarized it, on any combination of four factors: a person’s “‘apparent race or ethnicity,’ speaking in Spanish or accented English, being present at a location where undocumented immigrants ‘are known to gather’ (such as pickup spots for day laborers), and working at specific jobs, such as landscaping or construction.”

A California district-court judge had earlier enjoined ICE from making such stops, perhaps appalled by this example:

Plaintiff Jason Brian Gavidia is a U.S. citizen who was born and raised in East Los Angeles and identifies as Latino. On the afternoon of June 12, he stepped onto the sidewalk outside of a tow yard in Montebello, California, where he saw agents carrying handguns and military-style rifles. One agent ordered him to “Stop right there” while another “ran towards [him].” The agents repeatedly asked Gavidia whether he is American—and they repeatedly ignored his answer: “I am an American.” The agents asked Gavidia what hospital he was born in—and he explained that he did not know which hospital. “The agents forcefully pushed [Gavidia] up against the metal gated fence, put [his] hands behind [his] back, and twisted [his] arm.” An agent asked again, “What hospital were you born in?” Gavidia again explained that he did not know which hospital and said “East L.A.” He then told the agents he could show them his Real ID. The agents took Gavidia’s ID and his phone and kept his phone for 20 minutes. They never returned his ID.  

In overturning the lower court’s decision, five of the Court’s six right-wing justices—there is no other reasonable way to describe them at this point—took advantage of their right to remain silent, but Justice Brett Kavanaugh gamely tried to speak up in a concurrence. If his goal was to be reassuring, he did not help matters: Such stops are usually “brief,” he explained.

In Again, I am not a scholar of the Constitution, but I had no idea that I could be deprived of my rights under the Fourth (or any other) Amendment as long as my getting roughed up takes only a few moments out of my busy day.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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Thread Level: 2

This kind of nonsense is directly causing political violence. It's on you.

Author: jakers (14151 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Abject nonsense.

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:37 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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I agree with you and Jakes that conorlarkin is espousing abject nonense.

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 2:41 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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This is a Biden created problem.

Author: iairishcheeks (28462 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Has and will Trump's ICE go too far, of course, but that's how the pendulum works. Trump was reelected to fix this problem. God damned Democracy!

Thread Level: 3

Real Patriots don't talk like this, but we know MAGA is full a pseudo Patriots!

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:04 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Yes, clearly ICE's racially based Gestapo tactics are all Biden's fault

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:11 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Didn’t you see he wrote - “that’s how the pendulum works”. If you don’t like Biden

Author: jimbasil (53369 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:01 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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then there’s a pendulum swinging to make dumbass comments believable.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Don't pull the pendulum to the left if you don't want it swinging to the right.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Leave it in the middle. Biden's shadow presidency didn't do that

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

The MSM has mischaracterized "reasonable suspicion".

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 2:46 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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The raids at Home Depot, Hyundai and elsewhere were not acts of random racism.

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"reasonable suspicion" = Mexican-looking

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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You're cool with that. We get it.

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You could work for MSM. Not what I said at all. Followed by the obligatory dembotspeak "We get it"

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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I know that is "not what you said," genius. But it is what you meant. We get it.

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:47 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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It is NOT what i meant Mr.. Hitler. You'll get nothing and like it Spaulding.

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 2:38 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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The left does not believe immigration laws should be followed.

Author: PaND (2978 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Like other laws, they like to pick and choose.

Thread Level: 4

I'll add "reading comprehension" to your list of shortcomings.

Author: iairishcheeks (28462 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:40 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Open borders were a slippery slope to the Gestapo.

Author: Iggle (12893 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 2:14 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Boo hoo. Laws are being enforced and we don't like them, so it's authoritarian.

Author: LanceManion (8764 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:10 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 3

What law do you practice?

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:22 am on Sep 10, 2025
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The kind where people don't bitch and name call because they are being enforced.

Author: LanceManion (8764 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:30 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Which is?

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:57 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Admiraltiy. The law of the sea.

Author: LanceManion (8764 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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What's cute is they say race plays no part, but I want to see the data on how many white people they

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:00 am on Sep 10, 2025
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stop and ask for papers.

Thread Level: 3

Impressive, the guy who avoids "those" neighborhoods is now a regular 2025 freedom fighter.

Author: ELP (10239 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 1:08 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Truth is, you don't care about this issue one single bit. It's the opposite of DJT so that's good enough.

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Thread Level: 4

It is as I have always said, the liberals pay lip service to minorities about how everyone is equal

Author: THEISMANCARR (17413 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 2:06 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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and should have access to the same things but stay away from someone and instead live in their own neighborhoods that they consider "safe". Meanwhile the conservatives may ask questions about someone before they accept friendship but once they accept someone really merge with them and become their friends.

Thread Level: 4

Who is *they guy? The rest of your comment was nonsensical.

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 1:16 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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There you go. Correction made. Feel better? You are "the guy".

Author: ELP (10239 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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I get a kick out of when people making their uninformed opinions fact. That be you.

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:03 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Let me say, I have zero and I mean ZERO issue if a CEO looked around an all white executive room and said "you know there are a ton of bright, young, gifted people of color we can hire. If someone fits the mold and qualifications they are looking for, bring them in for a look!"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that!


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Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:20 am on Sep 10, 2025
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You are acting like Trump wants to pack the court.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:38 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Will you condemn now any future effort to expand/pack the court?

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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No he isn't. That is not the issue at all.

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:49 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Outside of media what Dem said they want to "pack the court"?

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:59 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Will you condemn now any future effort to expand/pack the court?

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:05 am on Sep 10, 2025
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I asked first. Can you answer?

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

Of course. Republicans did everything they could to get it this way, Dems would look hypocritical AF

Author: Quest4twelve (7276 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:22 am on Sep 10, 2025
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I guess the Democrats have changed their minds on this issue then? Or, you disagree with them???

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:13 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The "authoritarian" shtick is classic dembotspeak. It means nothing.

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:32 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Right because it is all just in the imagination of America's smart people.

Author: Chris94 (37457 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:49 am on Sep 10, 2025
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How would you know?

Author: Hensou (9254 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:56 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Mitch McConnell's lasting legacy...

Author: TyroneIrish (22071 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:21 am on Sep 10, 2025
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Born in East LA. was a funny movie.

Author: PaND (2978 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 9:57 am on Sep 10, 2025
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What a load of crap, not surprising you would suck it up.

Thread Level: 3

My guess is that you have never been pulled over for a turn signal violation.

Author: conorlarkin (21612 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:02 am on Sep 10, 2025
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

I was pulled over for not having a seat belt on.

Author: jakers (14151 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:27 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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It was a Saturday night. She was a black officer. She was looking for impaired drivers. I gave her my i.d. and insurance and answered her questions. Amazingly, that was the end of the interaction.

Thread Level: 4

I have. In Chicago. What about it?

Author: ELP (10239 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 10:18 am on Sep 10, 2025
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And you were detained while your car was searched?

Author: conorlarkin (21612 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Sep 10, 2025
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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You asked about getting pulled over. You're moving the goalpost.

Author: ELP (10239 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Sep 10, 2025
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Yes, by Gary PD many years ago. Pulled over. Probably because a bunch of teenage longhairs were blaring Led Zep and it brought attention to ourselves. Then detained, car searched, had us spill the beer out, sent us on our way. Anything else you want to know to try and prove whatever point you're trying to make?

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I got pulled over for making an illegal Uturn when the sign that said it was not permitted was at

Author: THEISMANCARR (17413 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 10:14 am on Sep 10, 2025
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least two blocks before the parking lot I exited before making the turn with no traffic around. I explained this to the policeman and it didn't matter. I am Caucasian.

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