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My guess is that the killings of Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk is another 80/20 issue on which the

Author: Curly1918 (16790 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 5:03 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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Dems have chosen POORLY.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA7J0KkanzM

Replies to: My guess is that the killings of Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk is another 80/20 issue on which the


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It would be so easy to defeat Trump if they just chose some of the 80% viewpoints.

Author: NedoftheHill (45046 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:45 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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But, per Tyrone, they are just too smart for that. They know better than 80% of the country.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Having lived in Berkely, Ann Arbor, and Oak Park - liberal enclaves tend to be echo chambers.

Author: LanceManion (8498 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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There are many great things about living in places like this - smart and educated people, diversity, etc. However, counter viewpoints tend not to percolate because while they may be tolerated, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

I think this is the Democratic machine in a nutshell today - an echo chamber divorced from healthy discussion and debate.


Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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When smart, educated and well informed people get together they can tell right from wrong...so they

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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tend to agree that Trump and MAGA are definitely doing everything wrong...shouldn't come as a surprise.

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Pssst… your naïveté is showing again.

Author: Curly1918 (16790 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:07 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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The intelligencia is just a class. Often they are far more narrow minded than the average person but very adept in their specialties

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See my reply to Ned...Who's being naive?

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:07 pm on Sep 12, 2025
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Tell right from wrong, eh? Intelligent government leaders are responsible for genocides.

Author: NedoftheHill (45046 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:25 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You left off the "Well Informed" part...i.e. those that choose ethical sources of information like

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:05 pm on Sep 12, 2025
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the NYT, WaPo, NCR, AP, Reuters, etc....instead of the #1 source for MAGAs...FOX...who, in front of the whole country/world, paid $787M to CONTINUE Knowingly Lying to their audience of obviously "Poorly Informed" readers/viewers.

You choose "Poorly", Ned.


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Maybe, but the group think perpetrates a really inconsistent ideology that revolves around slogans

Author: LanceManion (8498 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 5:59 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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rather than well thought out and tested positions, which results in negative local outcomes (e.g., poorer streets, declining school performance, pursuit of inconsistent objectives, etc). Single party control in either direction isn't good, but from my experience, the left's striving for its various ideals produces a large number of impractical outcomes.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Before setting your feet in concrete on this, consider Googling the name...

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:35 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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"Sam Liccardo"...he's now a Congressman from CA, but prior to that he was the two-term Mayor of San Jose, and performed well enough to get ~75% of the vote the second time around...can't do that w/o Rep and Ind voters. I bring him up because he's an excellent example of how a Dem Mayor can "Think Outside the Box" and get things done. You'll be connected to his website that has sections on "Homelessness", "Crime", "High Cost of Living", "Housing Affordability", and other topics...not slogans, but real world initiatives and rationales for new program ideas...check it out. Would definitely appreciate your thoughts and comments about that Dem's thinking...and performance.

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I went to high school with Sam Liccardo. That’s not a viable example of your point.

Author: LanceManion (8498 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:11 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Based on your writings here, I’d say Sam has grown a lot more than you have since your days at

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:29 am on Sep 12, 2025
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Bellarmine…suck it up and give credit where it’s due…Sam is a leader not a follower… visit his site and learn why.

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Sam's done a good job with San Jose, but you can't replicate what he's done absent Google and

Author: LanceManion (8498 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 6:01 am on Sep 12, 2025
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a population whose average income is 6X the national average. Google cleaned up San Jose through purchase of most of the downtown land and hiring of a private security force. They've also driven out most if not all of the poor black people.

Sam's model works in a very specific circumstance. It's easy to be a liberal when you have a rich backer doing all the work for you.

Contrast San Jose with San Francisco. SF has 50 billionaires living there, but it is a shit show.


Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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SF has a much more complex situation than SJ...but my message to you is not to paint with too broad

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:56 pm on Sep 12, 2025
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a brush...smart, educated and well informed people can come together and do good things...as evidenced by their support (on both sides of the aisle) for Sam Liccardo.

btw, one of my BILs is a senior partner in a large SF law firm...since COVID arrived, they have virtually NO attorneys coming into the office, no matter how much the partners cajole them...and they are not alone...virtually all major businesses conduct business "remotely"...thus the city's infrastructure of restaurants, shopping, etc. are suffering...which impacts city revenues...etc., etc....not to mention the impact on the "Cash Cow" of Tourism. SJ can weather that storm more easily. You get the picture.

Wealth inequality, IMO, is the root cause for most of our ills...and DJT is only making it worse...would you agree with that?


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If you disagree with their view, you’re stupid, hitler, hillbilly, and on and on

Author: Frankx (5615 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 5:41 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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Yep. The inability to openly discuss and debate ideas is a major problem for the Democrats.

Author: LanceManion (8498 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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The right isn't immune from this, but I think more diversity of opinion is tolerated there than the left.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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As a registered Democrat on this forum, it's bordering on Impossible to have an in-depth discussion

Author: TyroneIrish (21721 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:31 pm on Sep 12, 2025
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on almost any topic with Conservatives here...especially when it comes to major issues, like Abortion and a Woman's right to choose. Would you like to try such an Open Discussion?

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The murderers are lunatics, they do crazy things

Author: holybull101 (10590 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:18 pm on Sep 11, 2025
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