NY Times:
Charlie Kirk’s Killing and Our Poisonous Internet
Sept. 14, 2025
By Nathan Taylor Pemberton (Mr. Pemberton writes about extremism and American politics).
Moments into a Friday morning news conference announcing the apprehension of a suspect in Charlie Kirk’s killing, the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, began to read aloud the phrases reportedly engraved on the assassin’s bullet casings:
“Notices bulges OWO what’s this?”
“Hey fascist! Catch!”
“Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao.”
“If you read this you are gay lmao.”
These cryptic words were read tentatively by Mr. Cox, who seemed to have little idea of their meaning and provided no further context. The governor also relayed how the suspect, Tyler Robinson, 22, communicated his actions to friends on the Discord group chat platform. One relative, Mr. Cox said, described Mr. Robinson as “full of hate.”
The only thing that can be said conclusively about Mr. Robinson, at this moment, is that he was a chronically online, white American male.
The internet’s political communities and the open-source sleuths currently scrambling to place Mr. Robinson into a coherent ideological camp certainly won’t be content with any of this. Nor will they be satisfied with the other likelihood awaiting us: that Mr. Robinson, the son of a seemingly content Mormon family, probably possesses a mishmash of ideological stances. Some held dearly. Others not so much. They also will not be satisfied that this horrific, society-changing act of violence was most likely committed both as an ironic gesture and as a pure political statement.
If your head is spinning from the internet’s attempts to read into Mr. Robinson’s alleged choices and political identity, that’s understandable. We’ve fully stepped into a different historical moment: the age of brain-poisoning meme politics.
Despite mounting evidence that the toxic energies of the internet have begun to spill over into our real lives, there has been a reluctance to take the things happening online very seriously. The revolting death spectacle that took place at Utah Valley University is a new kind of political event.
While the internet’s rot once felt safely bottled, or fire-walled, within a digital realm, this act of political violence may have punctured whatever barrier once existed. We can no longer ignore that we live in an era where the online and the lived are indistinguishable.
Today’s internet for most Americans, but especially for those like Mr. Robinson, who came of age on social and streaming platforms, is an immeasurably potent vibes machine. One powered by a complex fuel of negative emotions — hatred, rage, hopelessness, nihilism, grievance, cynicism, paranoia, discontent and addiction. It’s a machine more than capable of constructing false realities and corroding our lived experiences.
Intent, meaning and sincerity are near-valueless concepts in this realm, while things like knowledge, understanding and good faith — critical elements to any healthy public sphere — have been gradually distorted beyond the point of recognition, or abandoned completely.
To exist in this machine is to exist in a realm dominated by what the writer Anton Jäger termed “hyperpolitics,” for the “low-cost, low-entry” politics with little ties to political institutions or clear political outcomes. To be a young person on large areas of the internet, in other words, is to exist in a state of perpetual conflict, where every action, every event, is coded with political significance, couched in irony or presented in a combative posture, starting from the moment one goes online.
It’s rapidly driving a generation mad. (And the rest of us, as well.) Governor Cox made a blunt declaration at Friday’s press conference. “Social media is a cancer on our society,” he said. “Go outside and touch grass.”
The beliefs flourishing in these online political spaces are fringe ideas — from conspiratorial thinking about the 2020 election, paranoia about white replacement, the glorification of political violence and moral panics built on stereotypes about minority groups. And they are fed to people on an algorithmically driven conveyor belt in the form of grotesque memes, viral streams, images of death and destruction, ironic posturing and trolling.
It’s likely that the influence of this machine, and its ability to drive young people to the radical fringes, would be diminished if American life today wasn’t governed by a sense of chaos and collapse. Economic insecurity, increasing unemployment, the inability to start families or buy homes, coupled with a livestreamed parade of death emanating from Gaza and the Trump administration’s deployment of the National Guard into American cities, are just a few obvious factors driving these feelings.
Figures like Mr. Kirk, along with other right-wing influencers, including Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer and the white nationalist Nick Fuentes, have thrived in this new landscape. They’ve used the internet’s reactionary machinery to great profit, building mass followings and influence in the process. Mr. Kirk, who had one of its loudest and most recognizable voices, was an avatar of the new political species moving through this machine: a type of political entity, combining elements of celebrity, demagogue, shock jock, thought leader, content creator and activist. Turning Point USA, the campus activism group he co-founded, operated less like an organized political movement and more like a curious followership or fandom.
The message propagated by Mr. Kirk, in his regular livestreams and during his famous campus debates, has been strangely labeled “moderate” in the immediate aftermath of his death. Conservative media and traditional outlets alike have celebrated his reputation for a willingness to foster open dialogues and the exchange of free ideas.
This characterization is out of step with the reality of Mr. Kirk’s activism, which was defined by a pugilistic bigotry and dehumanizing political rhetoric. He warned white Americans to be on the lookout for “prowling Blacks” and described George Floyd as a “scumbag.” He promoted the “great replacement” theory, accused Jewish philanthropists of funding “anti-whiteness,” and claimed that, if President Trump lost the 2024 election, Alabama would be overrun by “hundreds of thousands of Haitians.”
A young internet user following just Mr. Kirk could offer a fairly accurate glimpse into the atmosphere of perpetual rage-baiting that is today’s internet. Mr. Kirk lived to pick apart cotton-mouthed college freshmen at his signature campus debate events, each noted on his social channels with some belligerent title: “Charlie Kirk Crushes Woke Lies.” “Charlie Kirk Hands Out Huge Ls.” “Charlie Kirk vs. the Washington State Woke Mob.” And regularly, he lashed out at his perceived political foes, like Zohran Mamdani, the New York mayoral candidate whom he recently described as a “self-righteous, narcissistic parasite” who “should be expelled from politics.” To be clear, Mr. Kirk’s ideas, however distasteful and problematic, are no justification for murder.
What’s apparent, looking back on his ideas and the style in which he expressed them, is that Mr. Kirk used his platform to coarsen our political discourse, draining it of that vital bulwark against real-world violence: empathy.
While much has been made of his ability to connect with Gen Z, there has been little effort to hold his legacy to account for failing to impart this critical human quality to his young audiences. “The Youth Whisperer of the American Right,” as this paper once called him, may have been precisely that, a showman who attracted disaffected young Americans into the conservative movement with fantasies of white replacement or racial grievance.
The combative and rage-bait style that Mr. Kirk pioneered has become the dominant mode for the right. And it’s probably more accurate to say this is how many young Americans as a whole exist on the internet today, trolling and provoking anyone who crosses their paths.
Back in July, in an essay about the trolling style of politics infecting conservatism, I wrote that “conflict itself is the high-voltage current that powers online engagement and amplifies messages.” Mr. Kirk was a master architect of political conflict, engineered for maximum reach.
That his killer might have been in pursuit of a similar moment of viral conflict is a grim encapsulation of the nightmare cesspit we’ve entered.
The internet machine is now operating out in the open, in front of everyone’s eyes, and as long as that continues unchecked, our ability to make meaning of the world will continue to deteriorate. Empathy, as a human quality, will be snuffed out for those who are chronically online. The memes, and the memetic violence, will continue to proliferate.
...against real-world violence: empathy."...No Empathy for millions of migrants uprooting themselves from the violence within their country where half their family members are murdered by gangs...No Empathy for Black citizens who have experienced all manner of degradation and denial of basic human rights for nearly 200 years in this country...No Empathy for those afflicted with Gender Dysphoria, a condition they didn't cause, and never asked for, yet the powers that be right now seek to persecute them constantly, rather than afford them the best professionally established mental health care available...and No Empathy for the millions of Women who have been subjected to pregnancies they never wanted through either Force or Coercion, with government forcing them to carry those pregnancies to term, also against their will.
These are just some of the examples this total lack of Empathy...on the part of Donald Trump...and Charlie Kirk...that are causing undue harm in our nation.
dehumanizing political rhetoric
- strangely labeled “moderate”
- He warned white Americans to be on the lookout for “prowling Blacks” and described George Floyd as a “scumbag.” He promoted the “great replacement” theory, accused Jewish philanthropists of funding “
anti-whiteness,” and claimed that, if President Trump lost the 2024 election, Alabama would be overrun by “hundreds of thousands of Haitians.”
Thanks, a great article - sadly it describes so many on this board and they know who they are.
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You can't pull up to a red light without seeing multiple drivers scrolling their phones.
I've avoided seeing video of Kirk's assassination. Just don't need to see it. I'd rather go for a walk with music in my ears.
And my sense is they read less books than any other generation.
Best part of my day is listening to Audible.
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The misleading way covid was covered. Just what is it that makes NYT the paper of record?
US Supreme Court opinions will often cite articles from the NY Times.
They are not perfect, but arguably the best newspaper in the world, and for sure in the United States. Shout outs to Wall Street Journal; LA Times; Washington Post; Chicago Tribune; The Guardian; Financial Times; Le Monde; The Globe and Mail.
Professional journalism adheres to ethics, accuracy, independence, and transparency. And they distinguish between news coverage and opinion. Folks like you who never read their paper assume their opinions are all liberal. They are not.
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Conservative/MAGA readers/viewers. Ethics and FOX are Oxymoronic terms. Also, the NYT publicly posts it's Standards of Journalistic Ethics, and adheres to them...FOX does not.
Your string of emojis is how intelligent and reasoned observers see you.
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Yet bizarrely criticize those who do. Insanity would would be an apt description.
That settlement was a dispute about how voting machines were utilized. Trump, on the other hand, emphasized more than that. He continually railed against the millions of unrequested mail-in ballots being shipped out all across the country. The game is won ahead of time, not after, by collecting them up and sending them in, especially when you couple that with no voter ID. After the fact, and after the counting, it is usually too late. Most judges will not want to step in at that point and they will dismiss those cases. If you want to cheat you have to continually fight to eliminate the system checks ahead of time by keeping the status quo of flooding the system with ballots and no ID checks. Of course, Trump knew that.
“Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump. It’s the conclusion of the 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III.
Same old same old.
Immigrants Documented from more than 6 years to less than 6 months?…
Just some of the very important provisions of that Senate Bill DJT killed to win the 2024 election…and he hasn’t done a single thing about them.
Since these changes are needed and you could care less, it’s necessary to keep bringing them up to illustrate out out of touch you and your cohorts are….glad to help out.
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His scribbling is utter nonsense designed to justify the assassination with scholarly syntax.
It's unsurprising that you enjoyed it.
Stop being so angry and hateful. It's unhealthy.
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Mainly because conner is well aware that I do more outside in a week than I imagine he does in a quarter.
So he pukes up this alphabet soup trying to blame white males and free speech, while sprinkling in false claims about bigotry.
There wasn't a single thing in Charlie Kirk's message that was hateful or bigoted towards anyone. But your masters need to try to gaslight people to believe otherwise, because you have no other hand to play.