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and exacerbated the situation by agreeing to a May exit date...and I suspect, based on his refusal to acknowledge his election loss, with zero coordination with the Biden administration.

But continue backing someone who violates every moral and ethical standard you supposedly hold...absolutely incredible decision making.

was ready to go. Biden made the call that no one else would have made. In fact, he pushed to move UP the timeline when they obviously weren't ready.
Trump's concern was probably well founded, and his actions were likely wise at the time, but it is irrelevant to when Biden felt his plan was ready to execute. We had been there for 2 decades already.

You are really pathetic. A religious zealot to liberalism really. Do you honestly think people here don't see this desperate stupidity for what it really is?

Afghani supporters from getting their exit visas for his entire Presidency...Biden did all he could in his new administration to extend Trump's negotiated May deadline and thus save lives...

Trump shut the door immediately upon taking office...he had more than enough time to ferret out any suspected terrorists from the applications...he should have continued the processing...and...increased the number of visas available to the Afghanis...he definitely made a bad situation much worse...it's incredible that Biden has been able to save anyone, given the backlog, processing time and short window to work in...all of it due to Trump...and that is a Fact.

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the Taliban...Biden managed to get an extension to September.

Let's not forget the salient point on our Afghan allies' visas...had Trump not shut the process down way back in 2017, thousands of those friends would have been able to leave immediately, or would have been gone already, with their families, thus making the current situation a lot more "humane"...a concept that apparently didn't enter Trump's mind when he set up his exit plan.

To blame Trump and the Afghanis.

Pure dem Pontius Pilate move.

It was his call when to leave.

Deal with it.

the facts on the table are that Trump did indeed negotiate with the Taliban to set a May 1, 2021 exit date...only to be 'extended' to September 11, 2021 by Joe Biden.

No amount of 'gaslighting' is going to change that...kind of a bummer for you when it's all documented.


Link: https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973604904/trumps-deal-to-end-war-in-afghanistan-leaves-biden-with-a-terrible-situation

He chose to be powerless to change it.

He lied to the America people about the withdrawal. That’s on tape you stubborn fool.

He thought he had more time.

He was in charge.

Otherwise he just followed Trumps orders and Trump deserves all the credit for bringing the troops home.

Other than pointing out the obvious lies in your old joe posts, I’m done trying to speak to you intelligently. You devolve into catch phrases and mindless repetition.

from a Taliban that held all the cards that Trump gave away...I seriously doubt that the Taliban would go along with an extension that went beyond September and into the winter 'non-fighting season' there...worsening conditions in June and July due to rapid Taliban advances caused the six week move up in exit plans...that's my take...

btw, when you start cursing, you show your weakness...accept the fact that Trump made a bad situation much worse by taking steps that harmed our most treasured Afghan allies...Biden is doing all he can to rise above those impediments...the recent Bill is ample evidence of that.

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your kinda story.

Link: https://www.foxnews.com/media/critics-rashida-tlaib-us-taliban

the door on our Afghan...and btw, Iraqi...allies. If you truly care about what's happening to them...be sure to yell at Trump.

'Special Visas' for foreigners, by law take time...there are papers to be filled out, researched and evaluated...it takes time, and there were many thousands of them on Trump's desk...he didn't even 'slow play' the process...he stopped it....fast forward to January 20th...after virtually zero transition assistance, Biden is faced with a May deadline to remove all U.S. troops and NGOs safely, as well as however many Afghan allies he can...provided they are vetted and processed...he at least gains an extension on the date, but is hamstrung by the sheer volume and previous delays.

These are all details that you can't seem to grasp...or even try to...rather surprising for one so intent on ensuring complete accuracy in even the least important matters.

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desperately needed Special Visas for vulnerable Afghani and Iraqi allies in 2017?......take your time, this should be a doozy.

for withdrawal?! Are you this being serious or are you just doing your job right now?

If what you claim is even true (big IF, but I'll just grant you this since I don't feel motivated to check on your drivel yet again)Trump was obviously concerned about terrorists sneaking into the country within the VISA group.
Had he remained in office, he undoubtedly would have completed this process before proceeding with withdrawal unlike Biden. Biden was the person who wanted to move UP the date of withdrawal. I

It's a 10 second effort to Google "U.S. halts visas for Afghans who aided American forces"...dated March 16, 2017...i.e. just two months after Trump took office...must have been important to him...don't you think?

likely well founded wrt terrorist threats...but Biden is the guy who was in charge of when and how to execute the plan. If the VISA's still weren't ready when Biden wanted to withdraw, he shouldn't have given the order to withdraw...Trump sure wouldn't have done that.

You know you are avoiding the obvious point because you have no answer. You are full of drivel.

credited for extending the date from May to September, which was still too soon, as results are showing...an....d, rather than summarily denying Special Visas, Biden has been doing all he can to find shortcuts around the approval process, which takes time...sure would have been nice if Trump had just accepted his certified loss and pitched in to help with the transition...especially wrt the Afghan pull out...don't you think?

It's pretty clear that if Biden decided to move up the date with this lack of preparation, he was deciding on when to withdraw irrespective of whether or not we were ready (or he is incapable of actually knowing if we are ready). Either way, pathetic.

date? I've got documentation that Trump negotiated a May 1, 2021 date...Biden now has a September 11, 2021 date...how is what you're saying even logical.

You might want to stop before you have a breakdown over this.

And you claim I am the one who is going to havie a breakdown?!

Do you realize how stupid you sound when you make claims with such certitude yet display such basic gaps in your knowledge?


Link: https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-sets-date-for-full-afghanistan-withdrawal-as-taliban-seizes-key-crossing/

the Taliban...then we need to agree that a September 11, 2021 date was negotiated by Joe Biden and announced in April...finally, we can come to the 'context' of why that date was moved to August 31, 2021...while Biden was able to secure four more months than Trump had left him and thereby buy time to save more lives with new and processed visas, the situation on the ground was clearly getting more dangerous for the few American troops and contractors still there, so the timetable got moved up...

Buying more time, even if six weeks shorter than desired, is a world away from what would have been the case had Biden done nothing about the Trump negotiated exit date...if six weeks is too much for you to bear...think what four months would have done...or can't your mind process that?

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A new date of September 11 was negotiated by Biden back in April...by July the situation had become more unstable, so indeed the longer time window was shortened by six weeks...

The Taliban has clearly not been sitting and watching...they took over every province w/o a shot...not anticipated...the Biden admin realized that they needed to move faster in order to secure a viable airfield (Kabul)...the new addition of 6K troops for that express purpose is en-route...Biden threatened 'serious consequences' for the Taliban if they interfere with the safe removal of American and Allied personnel...we'll see what happens, as the Taliban is an uncontrolled variable in this equation...just like in most war situations...things change and adjustments need to be made (i.e. 8/31 vs. 9/11)...but the strategy of negotiating more time for the removal of American and Allied personnel worked.

Am I wrong about my original post...i.e. Trump's actions on denying Special Visas seriously hurt our Afghan allies keeping them at risk of not being able to flee their homeland?...absolutely not.

ty is a lost soul. he follows our president.

Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/politics/fact-check-biden-law-afghanistan-siv-visas-law-parole-guam/index.html

trying to find legal shortcuts to get Afghanis out of country while waiting for approval in the pathetically short time he was given by Trump...talk about deflection and misinformation.

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Answer - incompetence. You control all three branches of congress, and you still couldn't get those VISA's. The real answer here is that Biden could have gotten the VISA's,, but he didn't realize the problem in his ineptitude.

Thank goodness we didn't depend on these idiots to produce the vaccine.

Special Visa funding for an increase in the number and faster processing just recently...the Bill prep didn't start yesterday, so he and his aides were 'on it' from the "jump"...plus Biden was V.P. when Obama tried to get more funding for SVs back in 2016...I'm guessing he heard about that ;-)....are you following me, here?...

Trump flat out STOPPED any and all efforts toward awarding Special Visas for our Afghan (and Iraqui) interpreters, and other aides...and their families...so, when Biden took over, they had to start from square one...a time consuming process...you don't get them at the CVS gift card section.

I suspect that all you're doing...if you even read this far...is conjuring up some other fantasy dodge or deflection...so this response is really for anyone else who might be curious.

No deflection at all. I already addressed you post with an article below which you obviously didn't read as you had no response to it. You probably misplaced your response post if your are honest. Which you seldom are. Nor accurate.

The rashisda post was to show how ridiculous the lib blame game has gotten. A member of your party blaming the USA for involvement with the Taliban almost a decade before they were founded.

Does anybody in your party do anything but lay inane blame claims?

Half the time you mistake me for another poster. You seldom get anything right.

with Trump's shutting down Special Visas meant to save Afghani allies' lives...= "Deflection"...most people I know would get that...what's your problem?

btw, it's somewhat amusing to watch you scramble around avoiding this indictment of Trump...but that's your decision.

You did not respond to my 1st post.
Your party-mate Rashida is the one spreading information.

You have made a complete fool of yourself.

Every other word out of your mouth is “deflection”, “whataboutism” or
“misinformation”.

Nobody is buying the cow pies you are selling.

stupidly by repeatedly posting the same statements. Let me know when it becomes Biden’s presidency. If you are a nuclear analyst which plants do you advise. Just want to make sure I don’t live near them.

understand how they came to be in this crisis...their pleas for assistance started way back in time...even Obama was championing their cause by imploring Congress to open more visas for them before he left office...yet Donald Trump is on record for denying that expansion as soon as he took office (March, 2017) and what's more egregious, stopping any more processing of those that were in the pipeline.

Given that it must take several months of processing to clear even one applicant - of thousands that desperately wanted those visas - it is stupidity to assign all, or even a part, of the blame to Biden when all of this could have been minimized by the Trump administration having a) pushed aggressively for more visas and faster processing when he took office...and b) negotiating an exit date (in consultation with the incoming Biden administration) that allowed for the processing of all applicants...instead, they (Trump) set a date only four months after Biden's inauguration...Biden did well to extend it to September.

If you can't see the relevance here, then IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.

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No getting round that.

Just own it and distinguish yourself from the whiny, dishonest, hypocritical Orange bots.

assessments have been incorrect for 20 years. We shouldn't presume that Biden got good input or info prior to choosing how to withdraw.

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But today, this is a horrible reflection on the current
- Administration
- Intelligence community
- Military (and this is from a vet and a father of an officer who served in there)

All politics aside. Anyone who looks at this must realize that we did not have a good grasp of the situation on the ground OR if we did understand the current situation we made some really callous decisions regarding those we will leave behind. Perhaps lot's of crappy decisions over the past 20 years but nothing changes the fact that this is a shit show and decisions made right now are what is creating today's chaos.

administration...agreements were established with the Taliban (again, w/o any participation by the Afghan government) by the Trump admin...which Biden was compelled to honor. It is a credit to them that they were able to extend the date at all...it's a little like pulling the pin on a grenade...waiting two seconds and then tossing it to the next guy for 'disposal', and complaining about the resultant 'mess'.

It's just my opinion, but this 'disaster' was long in the making...going all the way back to 2003...we had just knocked al-Qaeda and the Taliban out of action with only a small amount of U.S. military resources and the willing help of the Afghan 'Northern Alliance'...things were looking good...but then, Bush and Cheney decide to invade Iraq, and Afghanistan becomes an afterthought...re-enter the Taliban...good bye Trillions of dollars and thousands of U.S. lives in both locations...and on a personal note...my support for GOP Presidential candidates.

This does not abdicate any previous administration of bad decisions, but you are the CIC, you own what you do today.

And in this case, Biden is no rookie... Part of his appeal was experience, so that excuse is not viable.

Today's mess is a result of decision's being made currently.

I can not believe the lack of intelligence, contingency planning or both?

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Stop defending this cluster fuck. Makes you look stupid. The last four presidents including Joe own this.

thing to do?...as it turns out, Biden was able to gain an extension to September 11th...while even that date is clearly problematic, I'm sure an awful lot more Afghani allies would have been left behind had he not gotten those additional months.

Would have been nice if Trump had graciously accepted the 2020 election results and worked closely with Biden during the transition on the Afghan situation...as well as many, many other issues...like every other modern President.

Not like the taliturbans are known for honoring their agreements fully.

If he had though, our guys would have been fighting again and in harms way.

Would have also been nice if he had explained the decision better before.

And not to have even thought about the possibility of an immediate collapse is a total administration and IC fuckup. These guys are supposed to be the pros remember?

Joe should man up on it. Be a leader, not an Orange weasel turd blaming everyone else

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Although the reaction of Orange was predictably stupid and outrageous given his role in all this.

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I was just a REMF (Rear Echelon MFer) and was largely in the peacetime army.... but from a military family with couple kids as vets, Army Ranger son-in-law etc. just makes this a little closer to home.

They bear the least blame in my view.

I admit I was on the "get out" side of this thing (and in the minority in my family.) Clearly I was wrong but just can't believe the situation was this bad...

Still think it was the right choice in the long run.

In the short run this is a humiliating embarrassment for the administration and Biden and not so much the Pentagon.

He needs to step up to the plate on this and be a leader.

Also, it’s easy to forget the role that the feckless Afghans played in all this. Just corrupt mothas that had zero allegiance to that corrupt govt. That’s not on Joe. No one told them to surrender en masse for cash payments. Only so much sympathy for them.

Without proper vetting, everybody and their brother would claim to be eligible.

Link: https://www.csis.org/analysis/visas-our-afghan-partners-what-does-united-states-owe-its-afghan-allies

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smashed those mothas at Tora Bora in 2002 and left.

happen.

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So if your Biden knew that, why did he let this happen. What’s the expiration date on Trump’s stupid decisions. So Joe follows Trump and you continue to blame Trump. You are a nut job.

have to live with them and correct them...once again, for your benefit and understanding...the events unfolding in Afghanistan right now...and especially with respect to those Afghanis that stood with us these last 20 years...are due to Trump's decision to go out of his way to block any visas that would allow those people to escape what's befalling them now....it takes months, apparently, to process those Special Visa applications and there are only so many of them...therefore, had Trump taken the other path and fought for more visas and faster processing, thousands of those Afghanis and their families would have been on airplanes out of harm's way right now, and not waiting for the long approval in Congress of Biden's request for what Trump should have done.

Hopefully, you'll listen to facts and reason..then turn your ire toward where it belongs...that incredibly incompetent and mentally flawed former President.

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