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Anyone here work or very familiar with federal grand jury?

Author: Quest4twelve (7226 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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If they’re made up of just normal average every day citizens, how much is shown to them to come back with indictments?

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"A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if asked to do so." [NY Chief Judge Wachtler]

Author: ND521 (9644 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 9:18 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Federal grand juries are sealed.

Author: conorlarkin (21564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:54 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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We do not know what evidence was presented and what evidence was withheld.

Shortly after Comey’s Arraignment, his lawyers will file a Motion to Dismiss for Selective/Vindicative Prosecution.

It will be the most meritorious motion of its kind in US jurisprudence. Comey will be entitled to an evidentiary hearing. Besides Trump Social posts calling for revenge, his lawyers will call the career prosecutor who was fired, Pam Bondi, and any DOJ professional who declined prosecution. Counsel will also call the replacement Crazytown US Attorney who made the charging decision.

Highly unlikely a jury gets the case.


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91.4% of defendents in fed cases are convicted & sentenced. While amazing, it's not necessarily good

Author: NedoftheHill (45135 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:35 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Almost 90% plead guilty. But, this doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty. Usually the Feds undercharge, say, with 10 years in jail at risk for the defendent, but explicitly threaten to charge much more if the defendant doesn't plead guilty. And, there are so many felonies Americans are guilty of on a daily basis, the Feds have so many options to charge. (See "Three Felonies a Day," and Gorsuch's book "Over Ruled: The Human Toll of Too Much Law." I'm reminded of a horrible abuse of power in a where the Feds charged a fisherman with a violation of Sarbanes Oxley because the number of fish in his boat when he docked allegedly didn't match the amount he had on his boat when inspected. He chose to go to trial, and the Supreme Court eventually exonerated him, saying the Feds had misapplied the statute. The Feds bankrupted that guy, though. It would have been better for him if he pleaded guilty, than to fight an be found innocent.) So, an innocent defendant must choose between risking 40-100 years in jail if he goes to trial...and certain bankruptcy, or maybe 10 years if he just pleads. Most plead. I'm not sure this means justice is done. Comey may fight, but if they treat him like they treat normal Americans, he could be fucked either way. Frankly, I don't expect them to treat him that way, since people will be watching them. Only normal Americans are treated that way.

(I'll let someone more intimately involved with grand juries answer your question. I would assume the answer is, "enough is shown to gain an indictment" if the prosecutor desires an indictment. My crim law professor used to say that grand jury indictments were basically automatic...but I believe he was assuming that the prosecutor in question actually wanted the indictment, and wasn't using the process to clear the defendant and wash his hands of the fact that he didn't want to prosecute.)


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How many criminal cases have you handled, Ned?

Author: conorlarkin (21564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:58 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Why? I didn't attempt to answer the question. How many grand juries have you sat through?

Author: NedoftheHill (45135 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:54 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Why do you think I said, "I'll let someone more intimately involved with grand juries answer question?" I'm not a prosecutor, and I never claimed to be, which is why I didn't attempt to answer the question.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Are you aware that most federal cases are not charged or prosecuted?

Author: conorlarkin (21564 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:55 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Your 91% conviction rate only exists because of vetting DOJ investigations that are NOT indicted or charged via pre-indictment pleas.

For the clueless, cases are brought to federal prosecutors for investigation and consideration for federal charges. At least half are not charged or indicted because the DOJ (prior to this Administration) had protocols and ethical guidelines in place to ensure that they only went forward on cases where evidence for conviction was clear, and there were no issues that would taint the integrity of the prosecution. DOJ investigations often take months or years.

Then came Trump. And Bondi.

And yes Ned. I know how Grand Juries work.


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Do you know that I said that above?

Author: NedoftheHill (45135 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:01 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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And yes, conor, I now how grand juries work. Not quite what you asked, and when I asked the same question back, you answer a different question.

For a lawyer who is suppose to ask questions to expose your opponent, interesting that your questions are only serving to expose that you are trying to act like you know more than you do.


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I thought the % was worse or greater on the guilty side, more like 95%

Author: Frankx (5666 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 5:38 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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I thought so, too. I googled before I posted & found a Pew Research article, just a snapshot of 2022

Author: NedoftheHill (45135 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:42 pm on Sep 26, 2025
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Perhaps if you take the average with other years, it gets higher.

Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/14/fewer-than-1-of-defendants-in-federal-criminal-cases-were-acquitted-in-2022/

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