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Would extending expiring Obamacare subsidies for lower-income families suffice to end the shutdown?

Author: Curly1918 (17065 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:32 am on Oct 7, 2025
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This would exclude for illegals and higher income workers.

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I think so. At present we are unavoidably shackled with the disaster of Obamacare.

Author: BaronVonZemo (61955 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:02 am on Oct 7, 2025
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U.S. costs for Pregnancy, Childbirth and Infant Care are twice what other developed countries charge

Author: TyroneIrish (22492 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:59 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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and the rate of expensive C-Sections here is also twice what is experienced elsewhere. OB/GYNs, like Baron, may find that the ACA, which is not focused on "Fee for Service" lowers their income and therefore have personal reasons for opposing a law that extends care to millions of Americans who were denied HC services previously.

Link: https://www.statista.com/chart/20657/average-hospital-admission-cost-for-giving-birth/?srsltid=AfmBOookC6X-yM_TaOOUvXaNtu2FjFpL9lT8uzsZg18fUZYWAZWqdKfy

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Tyrone's support for unlimited abortion is actually saving us money

Author: Iggle (12941 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:36 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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What a guy!

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My support for Women's Reproductive Rights, as established and maintained by the SCOTUS since

Author: TyroneIrish (22492 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:20 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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1973, until the Dobbs decision...remains. As I've noted many times here...just because a woman CAN bear children, does not mean she MUST bear them under ANY and ALL circumstances. I have yet to see a poster oppose that statement and enter a substantive, evidence based debate....are you willing to do that?

But let's not forget the issue of Medical Costs for pregnant women and their children in the U.S. vs other Developed Nations...they're consistently 2X MORE here vs there...with no better outcomes. Baron should jump right in on this issue...unfortunately, he chooses to snipe from the sidelines and not engage with me.


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The most amusing FACT about Obamacare is that greedy Insurance companies are profiting from it.

Author: Curly1918 (17065 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:42 am on Oct 7, 2025
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It's unclear to me if this depends on keeping high earners and illegals on the program.

It would be supremely ironic if these evil insurers are behind the shutdown.


Link: https://paragoninstitute.org/newsletter/the-aca-is-making-health-insurers-much-richer/

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It essentially nationalized part of HC insurance and opened the door for Big Pharma gouging.Disaster

Author: BaronVonZemo (61955 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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As I said it would be (94 of course incorrectly said that I was wrong and that we needed Obamacare (get this) to control the costs of HC which he said were too high).
Obamacare ballooned that cost consistently ever since.

The government could not run a beer party in a brewery.
We had an example of US govt run HC - the VA system failure - but the Demsvoted for it anyways and squeaked by on an illegal maneuver (reconciliation).
The disaster that has resulted is there for all to see.
Now those same communist libs say the solution is to give the govt even more control. Stupidity incarnate.


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Without nationalized HC, you have to got through a gaggle of Insurance companies...it ain't easy to

Author: TyroneIrish (22492 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:09 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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to craft legislation that benefits ALL Americans under such circumstances. The ACA gave tens of millions of Americans access to HC that they previously could not afford, and protected ALL Americans from getting denied coverage for Pre-Existing conditions...and allowing them to not be held hostage to employers. It also allowed entrepreneurs to start new businesses and not risk medically related financial catastrophe.

More work needs to be done to make HC more available and MUCH less costly. Read "America's Bitter Pill" by Steve Brill to understand how the ACA "Sausage" came to be...and what his suggestions are for moving forward...an excellentt and detailed insight to all things "Obamacare".


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The original design was terrible.

Author: Iggle (12941 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:08 am on Oct 7, 2025
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All the prior condition people were subsidized by the small percentage of Americans without corporate coverage or prior conditions.

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Same question I wanted to pose. Have the R leaders come out publicly say

Author: Quest4twelve (7361 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:57 am on Oct 7, 2025
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We committ to negotiating the subsidies as soon as the CR is passed.

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The shut down needs to end and then they can negotiate.

Author: PaND (3053 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 9:54 am on Oct 7, 2025
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Dems do not care, just want to fight. They know there is zero chance of getting their 1,000 pages of demands.

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In your mind only Dems use the ACA.

Author: Quest4twelve (7361 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:57 am on Oct 7, 2025
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As usual, your post makes no sense.

Author: PaND (3053 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 10:00 am on Oct 7, 2025
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"Willingly". You forgot that key word. Everyone but Ds wants the old affordable & better system.

Author: BaronVonZemo (61955 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:00 am on Oct 7, 2025
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Explain how the old "affordable" system was better?

Author: Quest4twelve (7361 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:29 am on Oct 7, 2025
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You mean the one where insurance companies could drop people? That one?

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Less than half the cost for one

Author: BaronVonZemo (61955 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:16 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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The one that denied coverage for pre-existing conditions and was unaffordable for the tens of

Author: TyroneIrish (22492 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:12 pm on Oct 7, 2025
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millions of Americans currently on Obamacare? If getting U.S. HC costs cut in half is what you value, then call for an end to "Market Based" Health Care...like in so many other developed countries.

The Affordable Care Act was never intended to be the Final Solution to our expensive HC system...it's goal was to expand coverage to ALL Americans, and while it hasn't yet accomplished that goal, it was a Giant Step forward. Next, we need to improve the ACA through collaborative negotiations, while tackling the 2X cost and Monopolization of HC services by Mega HC Corporations.


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