Why can some of us be blind to the reality that Communism ALWAYS results in mass murders?
From birth every human being struggles to separate from his or her mother and INDIVIDUATE as a unique and free individual.
Collectivism is antithetical to human nature.
A political system based on collectivism has no choice but to be brutally repressive because so many of its citizens yearn for freedom.
This has happened over and over and over again... and yet many of our fellow Americans have fallen prey to the siren's song of forced equality of outcomes.
Communism might not have kings... but it did produce Stalin, Mao, Fidel, et al.
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Some Tropes just won't go away...
reminder: you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.
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Like the use of the term "equity" it sounds good on paper, but is horrible in practice. Idealists.
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Because of Liberalism Rule #3. The ends justify the means. There is a slow progression of thought.
1)First they deny that it is communism.
They slowly come to accept that it is communism that they espouse as they become more accustomed to the reality that it IS communism as the negative connotation.
2)Then they switch to thinking that their communism will be implemented as has never been done before (they rationalize that up until now, nobody has implemented it correctly as they will be doing).
3)The inevitable killings that result from implementing their vision are seen as justified because those killed deserve it for opposing their viewpoint when theirs is seen as clearly the smarter and correct viewpoint (Liberalism Rule #4).
4)Finally, when they start to see others killed that weren’t even opposing them, the justify it as a necessary evil. The ends justify the means. The unfortunate reality of the price of doing business.
There is a reason that I loathe liberalism. It is not a new corrupted thought process. It has brought down many societies under various monickers.
BaronVonZemo's Rules of Liberalism:
Liberalism Rule #1 - accuse others of that which you are/do.
Liberalism Rule #2 - the rules apply to thee and not me
Liberalism Rule #3 - We know what is best, thus the ends justify the means.
Liberalism Rule #4 - We believe ourselves to be smarter thus, we cannot admit that we are wrong.
i) Admitting mistakes undermines the premise of being smarter, ergo self correction is not possible.
Liberalism Rule #5 - What didn’t work last time, will work next time (see 4 i.)
Liberalism Rule #6 - When we lose, change the rules.
i) Whenever convenient, change the definition to suit our goal.
Liberalism Rule #7 - Appeasement (using other people's money - usually taxpayers) is the best deterrent to conflict.
Liberalism Rule #8 - Totally Differentism - when we do something that we don’t like others doing, it is always “totally different”.
Liberalism Rule #9 - Equity through inequity (any difference must be equalized by pulling down the
unaffected party. Vengeance is preferable).
Liberalism Rule #10 - We support our representative speaking regardless of the truth (in contrast to
conservatives who support the truth regardless of the representative speaking it).
Liberalism Rule #11 - We vote on personality over policy.
Liberalism Rule #12 - Genetics are selective. We believe that sexuality and guilt are genetic, but gender is not. Scientific proof is not required.
Liberalism Rule #13 - Do SOMETHING! When a crisis happens, do SOMETHING! It doesn't have to have to work, but it must: a) make us feel better which is more important than actually solving the crisis, and b) advance the liberal agenda.
Liberalism Rule #14 - "You’ll have to show us a lot more than rock solid, irrefutable evidence”.
Liberalism Rule #15 - There are no universal truths. The truth changes to fit our needs.
Liberalism Rule #16 - The Expert Threshold. If a false narrative has enough “experts” backing it, it becomes truth regardless of evidence to the contrary. “Experts” are defined as those who support the narrative, and they can be conjured if necessary (because of Liberalism Rule #3).
Liberalism Rule #17 - Charity ends at home. It is accomplished through the government with other people’s money.
Liberalism Rule #18 - When failure or bad behavior is completely undeniable, distance yourself from complicity to salve your guilty conscience.
Liberalism Rule #19 - Guns don’t kill people, liberals with guns kill people. Violence comes from the Left.
Liberalism Rule #20 - Only guilty life is precious. Innocence makes us uncomfortable and thus must be eliminated.
Liberalism Rule #21 - "I'm a moderate". We are not liberal, we are "moderates" politically - despite supporting every liberal tenant. This is because we consider ourselves to be the fairest and also because we care too deeply about what others think of us to just admit what we really are (See Rule #22).
Liberalism Rule #22 - “We care too deeply about what others think of us.” (This is why we feel the constant need to virtue signal and try to buy foreign approval with handouts).
Liberalism Rule #23 - Make it about race! "Whenever we are losing an argument, make it about race".
Liberalism Rule #24 - “Both sides do it.” Guilt from our bad behavior is better tolerated when diluted to all, and also then no one can point a finger at us”.
Communism? No one here wants communism, Mr Straw Man
The percentage of Americans who want to see communism in this country is about 0.007.
In the minds of the GOP fanatics? 95% of Democrats are commies. OK fine.
Democrat mission creep toward the "END GOAL."
"But then there are also other issues that we firmly believe in, whether it's BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions of Israel), right, or whether it's the end goal of seizing the means of production, where we do not have the same level of support at this very moment." Mamdani
I'm sorry but this Freudian slip (about seizing the means of production) by today's Obama is straight out of Marx.
I promise you that the "end goal" of the Democratic party is not communism.
And I promise you that you are a fucking moron if you think it is.
If you guys don't understand what fascism is, why should anyone trust you on communism?
Ditto monarchies, "No Kings"?
I was a Derm for years... and a strident anti-communist. I hope this is just a adolescent phase
for the party.
But the SEIU and the teachers union are seriously anti-capitalist and they seem to be running the show and are moderate compared to the Democratic Socialists.
Given the fact that we have a bevy of 'Anti-Trust' laws on the books, it's clear that "Capitalism"
in the U.S. is not without its faults...often due to pure greed. Therefore, a degree of "Adult Supervision" is necessary...this is not "Communism"...it's "Fairness" for ALL participants in the Capitalist Economy...especially with our burgeoning "Wealth Gap" here in the bastion of Capitalism.
btw, for a more recent perspective on how Capitalism is being 'bent' in the wrong way...with assistance from the legal community...go to your library and take out a copy of "Tyranny, Inc.", by Conservative Sohrab Ahmani.. It shows how even Middle Class employees get taken advantage of by those pushing for Laissez-Faire Capitalistic Policies.
I've mentioned earlier on this forum my experience working at what I considered a model of Capitalism in action...Bill & Dave's HP enterprise, where "Sharing" the fruits of everyone's labor was central to the ethos of the company...and that prompts another book recommendation...Dave Packard's "The HP Way" (look for the section entitled "Sharing")
Link: https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws
Now, we are all even more convinced.(Not that you don’t believe it). True South.
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You moroning someone makes you sound like jimbecile.
Birds of a feather.
Not according to to CATO
“Overall population (2025): The Cato/YouGov poll found that 14% of all Americans have a favorable opinion of communism.
Ages 18–29 (2025): In the same Cato/YouGov survey, 34% of young adults reported a favorable view of communism”
It's like we are back in 1900, with anarchists/communists trying to assassinate leaders...
...and substantial portions of the nation turning communist/progressive.
Then again, back in 1900, we didn't have the examples of the communist Soviet Union & China, and the socialist Germany to make it obvious that these political movements were disastrous. Obviously, people today are substantially ignorant of history.
"Having a favorable view" and "Wanting the US to turn commie" are different. It's true!
I have a favorable view of Iowa's football team. I like the wave.
I don't want Iowa's football team to run the NCAA.
Your original assertion was absurd. Show some respect for CATO.
The opinion sets are not mutually exclusive.
They intersect.
Way more than you originally suggested.
Try to be more self-critical.
I have plenty of respect for CATO.
For you....not so much.
“.007”. Take that up with your CATO colleagues.
You have inferiority issues. Understandable that you would not respect me.
MAGA loves polls until they don't. So a snap shot of 18-29 year old's is all of America? Got it...
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Nobody but you is saying that.
94’s original percentage was absurd.
It has been refuted. By the CATO stats
No one said all of America is comfortable being communist.
But some people are. Many more than the prof suggested.
Wow. Depressing.
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Stage 1 (see above post). Also, you are merely describing a negative brand connotation.
There are many being indoctrinated - esp on college campuses, on Reddit, etc.. they believe in communism, but merely don't accept the brand name. So call it something else like "Democratic socialism" and then they are all in. Guys like you will argue the miniscule potential definitional differences until the cows come home as communism is embraced by your cohort.
Diet Coke in an coffee mug is still Diet Coke.
This is the same shit people peddled during the Cold War
Nonsense then, Mr. McCarthy, and even bigger nonsense now.
While Bernie was singing in the Soviet Union
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoxbztkxYpk
What happened to totally differentism?
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Can you name 3 examples of Communism in America?
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Do you oppose communisim? Do you oppose socialism?
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Mamdani, Bernie Sanders, AOC.
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Let me be more specific. List 3 examples of Communist behaviors in any Dem politician.
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None of them are communists. Try harder.
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The slow boil in process. "Mamdani is not a communist"....
.....you ignore all of his past public statements and proposals, and choose to instead embrace the crafted responses of his campaign team (which still are not reassuring) as he nears election day.
If you think he is a communist, then you know even less about communism than I think you do.
And I think you know jack shit.
Dancing on definitional head of pin.
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It's going to be great when Mamdani gets in.
Free stuff for everyone! Or not.
He'll fail miserably, but just like Obamacare, it will move the bar further to the left.
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Speak to some of the ignorant buffoons. The answer is always the same.
Either it's "that wasn't REAL socialism" or "it's never worked before because of U.S. interference."