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The shutdown is all about the "Unaffordable" Care Act

Author: Curly1918 (16996 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:52 am on Oct 23, 2025
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Designed to "lead" to a single payor system... the Dems are upset that without subsidies it is doomed to failure.

Like Biden's "Inflation Reduction Act" it was totally mislabeled.

The end goal for the Dems, whether they will admit it or not, is government control of the economy.

Mamdani is the canary in the coal mine because he does not mask his intentions.


Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman/2025/10/14/why-obamacare-is-keeping-the-government-on-shutdown/

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Interesting it isn't affordable like they claimed/lied.

Author: NedoftheHill (45268 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:46 am on Oct 23, 2025
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I guess they did depend on the stupidity of the Democrat voter as the architect of that law, Gruber, stated at the time.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Oddly similar to the Inflation "Reduction" Act.

Author: PaND (3008 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 2:37 pm on Oct 23, 2025
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Which did nothing to reduce inflation, actually increased it.

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Single payer + supplemental is the best solution, IMO.

Author: iairishcheeks (28530 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:26 am on Oct 23, 2025
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In 2000, manufacturing was the largest industry in all but 4 states. Today it's medicine.

Author: LanceManion (8841 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 10:24 am on Oct 23, 2025
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We don't make anything any more, so the medical industry is the engine that drives the economy. That's a problem.

Public education and public medicine should not be profit centers. It's just not a net positive for society.

Unfortunately, drug companies have deep pockets. But, if we really want to change things, limiting drug company lobbying and advertising on TV would be a good place to start. GLP-1 abuse is through the roof, which is not surprising since diabetes is near 30% in some populations over 50.


Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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I'm open-minded here. I just need to be convinced of the plan to pay for it.

Author: jakers (14178 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 am on Oct 23, 2025
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I loved that Obamacare (supposedly) touted the principle of making sure that an unexpected medical cost (surgery, broken bone, etc.) shouldn't mean financial ruin for an American citizen. The problem is that as a whole, there was no way that we could pay for it.

I still strongly favor the idea of competitive, inter-state health insurance plans covered through private markets. Yes, it would HAVE to be regulated. But competition and choices are what could keep the costs competitive. A blended approach like you mention would probably work best (maybe single-payer to cover the basic stuff like preventive care, supplemental to cover big unexpected events).

And the next piece of this discussion, which my favorite liberals like jimbasil and Chris and I have debated about before, is that the border has to be secured. These services have finite funding and resources, and if we don't secure the border, there will be a flood of people coming in that we can't support.


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Supplemental would be to cover elective procedures and enhanced care.

Author: iairishcheeks (28530 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Oct 23, 2025
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All preventative and necessary medical care would be covered by the single payer plan.

It would be funded by payroll deduction like Medicare.

90% of health insurance employees would be without a job.

I do like your increased competition plan, but I don't like health insurance being a for profit enterprise.

The border needs to be secure, the whole immigration system needs an overhaul. Legal immigration should be a net benefit to the country and its citizens. Employers need to pay immigrants a fair wage with benefits.


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A national health care system should be run by The Mafia.

Author: Hensou (9372 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 11:56 am on Oct 23, 2025
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At least the crime would be organized.

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Children are starving in Africa because Dems want spending for this.

Author: NedoftheHill (45268 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:54 am on Oct 23, 2025
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The fact that we don't have money to fund food, healthcare, etc. for 8 billion people is never mentioned by the Dems, and they demonize anyone who points out the truth.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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On your point about the border. Milton Friedman he's no Paul Krugman.

Author: LanceManion (8841 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 10:14 am on Oct 23, 2025
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Link: Border Control

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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I'm going to force you to buy something then give you a subsidy so you can afford it: Obamacare.

Author: LanceManion (8841 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:09 am on Oct 23, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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And schedule that subsidy to expire so they can use it as leverage later against GOP...

Author: NedoftheHill (45268 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:48 am on Oct 23, 2025
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or because if they didn't sunset the subsidy, people would see it was too costly...

or both.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Obamacare wasn't about universal healthcare, it was a political weapon.

Author: LanceManion (8841 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:00 am on Oct 23, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Seems so. Plus it nationalized student loans, allowing Biden to try to bribe voters.

Author: NedoftheHill (45268 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:14 am on Oct 23, 2025
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That seems to have always been part of the plan. Otherwise, why nationalize those loans (and never talk about it in the press)?

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