Ty caught in yet another lie, this time about the RCC and "personhood" at conception
From Google AI: "Yes, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that personhood begins at conception. The Church holds that a new human life is present from the moment of conception, is created by God, and is due the respect and rights of a person from that instant. This belief is the foundation for its consistent stance against abortion, which it considers the taking of an innocent human life."
On another front, Ty, since I know you never change your mind even when confronted with irrefutable facts (like HCQ+), are you suggesting Pope Francis was okay with abortion at some point after conception?
Replies to: Ty caught in yet another lie, this time about the RCC and "personhood" at conception
The Church teaches every human has a soul from conception onward.
Intentionally killing this life outside of acting to save another life directly is a grave and mortal sin.
The enemies of the Church wish to spread confusion by getting catholics to buy the idea of life being defined as a “person”, and then getting lost in the weeds of the definition of person.
A “personality” requires a functional brain to develop - an organ, like all of the others,that an embryo has not developed yet.
Human life does not depend on the presence of a personality (which is implied in the term person), because its presence and value dies not hinge in having a specific developed organ - in this caee the brain.
Human life. Is present when the embryo forms at conception and is imbued with a soul.
My experience had been that those misrepresenting the Church on abortion often have a lot a personal stake in the issue. But you can’t argue with God Nd the Church doctrine on this is infallible snd unchanging - even liberal Pope Francis strongly upheld this.
Ty’s handlers hate Jesus and anything to do with virtue
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Jesus has been transformed into their image and likeness.
The Ultimate Heresy.
Did Google AI summaries supplant ex cathedra Papal teachings?
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I'll take America Magazine's verified direct quote from Pope Francis over your source, Mark...same
goes for Ned...
Note that there are many other publications that have verified it as well...even if they don't like what they heard...like the website "Where Peter Is" that I've posted, which also quotes other Pontiffs making the same determination.
Know that I make a habit of checking my assertions before posting...you never know when the Board's 'Anal-Retentive', Hensou (AKA "Aragoto", or "GOAT") might come out of hiding.
Pope Francis talking off the cuff does not equal RCC doctrine
People who have the ability to use logic understand this.
You didn't answer my question (just like you repeatedly refused to answer how Dr. Fareed successfully treated hundreds of patients with HCQ+): Is it your position Pope Francis was okay with abortion up to a certain point?
It was a phrase excerpted out of a discussion and then deliberately misinterpreted...
...contrary to what the Pope has said and expressed and contrary to what the church teaches and believes.
I don't care about Tyrone's views in the least as I know where they originate and what his mission is here.
I do care about a clown deliberately misrepresenting the words of the Pope on a board even unofficially affiliated with Notre Dame. That's the limit of my concern.
Those too stupid to understand what Tyrone is doing here...are why he is here.
Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis
passed away this April, and in that time never retracted or amended what he said...i.e. "Therefore, there is a living human being, I do not say a person because this is debated, but a living human being.".
As to the claim that it was an "off the cuff" slip of the tongue...that's not true either, no more than his other comments regarding "....a living human being...". Clearly you don't want to invalidate that part of his comments, so just stop making stuff up...it ruins a reasoned discussion.
btw, just two days ago I posted a complete article from the website "Where Peter Is" that took issue with Francis' "Personhood" comment...which, btw, is an example of open Critical Thinking (see the link)...and found that Pope Francis wasn't the only Pontiff to hold and maintain that position....here (again) is the concluding paragraph from that article...
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What does all of this mean? Well, for one thing, it is clear that the Magisterium has acknowledged on multiple occasions that there is a debate about personhood. It is also clear that the Church has not always considered the life of a human person to begin at conception, nor has the Church definitively taught this. That said, the Church has always regarded abortion to be evil from the moment of conception. More recently, the Church has pushed back against the idea that “delayed personhood” is relevant to its position on the sanctity of human life from the moment of conception. It has taught instead that life, from the moment of conception should be treated and respected as a human person. Andin this, Pope Francis has always been in line with Catholic Tradition.
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Now, consider that Killing of another Person is also an 'Intrinsic Evil' in the eyes of the RCC...yet, the Catechism allows for the killing of other persons (who may indeed be totally innocent) in the case of "Just Wars" , but only under 'Certain Conditions/Circumstances', and after the use of "Prudential Judgement". We cannot ignore this fact, so let's discuss its relevance to a woman's right to make decisions regarding her ability to reproduce.
Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=273902
I think this is a well-spoken and fair assessment.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but do me the courtesy of responding to it...i.e. engage
in a discussion. If you don't want to engage then stop 'sniping' from the sidelines like a coward.
He's repeated that lie a dozen times. Expect him to repeat it here in this thread shortly.
Nothing will stop him from lying about this. His main purpose is to misuse Catholic teaching to support the Democrat Platform. The Democrat Platform is the source of his "morality," not Church doctrine.
My main purpose is to reach common ground on ways to reduce the # of abortions w/o sacrificing the
right of all women to choose whether or not to carry a pregnancy they never wanted to term.
With that in mind, I'll repeat my question..."While a woman CAN reproduce, MUST she do so under ANY and ALL circumstances?"...Keep in mind that the RCC sanctions the killing of other persons, even totally innocent debated persons in "Just War" circumstances, provided certain conditions are met and that "Prudential Judgement" has been used.
As a "man" who is fallen away... I'm still very uncomfortable with late term abortions.
If a woman "chooses" to abort I "feel" that she should so before the fetus is viable.
As to when "life" begins.... that seems like a very arbitrary "legal" decision.
There have been societies in which infanticide was legal.
Link: https://ebrary.net/89446/history/history_infanticide_cultures_time_periods#google_vignette
Then it’s good you won’t get pregnant especially at your advanced age.
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That’s quite the pretzel
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