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Marriage for love is dying out altogether and perhaps reproduction as well.

Author: Curly1918 (17096 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:22 am on Nov 17, 2025
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For most of human history marriages were simply "arranged" for the purpose of creating an environment for raising a succeeding generation.

Of course our live spans were far far shorter and few folks were "planning" on living much beyond 40.

However, it's tough to imagine that today's young women will feel content never to become mothers.

So... what's the answer?


Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/love-sex/voices-women-are-the-reason-men-are-giving-up-on-dating/ar-AA1QAtEf?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=691b2cb849c44d80b840ab873f6215b8&ei=21

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The idea of extreme individualism will succumb to natural selection, sadly for the West.

Author: LanceManion (9044 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:49 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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It's not just one thing. There are a multitude of issues, not all the fault of either gender.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 am on Nov 17, 2025
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First and foremost, in my mind, is dating apps. As a concept, they can be great - much more efficient than approaching people randomly and hoping that they're single/available and interested in you. They're only on these applications to meet someone. A great way to connect to others who are, in theory, looking for what you are. The downside is that there is zero "room for error." One miscommunication, cancellation, or mistiming and someone can miss what would have been a potentially solid connect. And, if the first meet-up isn't mind-blowing, there's no "need" to give a second look, because you can just keep swiping away. Anecdotally from stories, it sounds like patience in getting to know someone is in short supply. Worse, some get addicted to the rush of all of the attention and forget what they originally wanted, which is a chance at a long-term relationship. It can be human nature to still be holding out for the next best thing. This goes both ways, and it would be wrong to pin it on men or women as culprits.

Second, radical feminism has not been good for women and marriage/family. They're blasted with messages from Western Society that they deserve to "have it all" their entire lives, and that making sacrifices to have families is some evil, patriarchal concept. This is how we get to tragic situations where women freeze their eggs at age 30 and then circle back at 45 to find that these modern medical solutions have significant failure rates, and that it's now too late. Or that establishing big-time executive careers is their first priority, and that they should consider settling down at 35 after they've "made partner" or achieved whatever abstract ideal they need to accomplish has been completed. The problem is that then, they still have to start the process of finding someone who wants to settle down with them and connect their lives when over 90% of their eggs are gone.

Third, as a corollary to #2, there is too much messaging that wanting a family is a silly, antiquated, Stockholm Syndrome relic of a patriarchal prison. One can argue as to the reasoning behind this all you want.


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A friend of mine just started dating a Mennonite girl.

Author: iairishcheeks (28681 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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I'm like: that's a unicorn!

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That's the spirit! And I bet there's no back talk from Hannah.

Author: conorlarkin (21853 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:13 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Also think the ubiquity of porn & electronics gaming allows men to get release without a woman.

Author: NedoftheHill (45502 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:52 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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The human desire for sex and for inter-personal relationships is dulled by the ability to have porn stars in your own bedroom, and the ability to put the headphones on and play games and chat with your buddies online. This kind of feeds into or reinforces the instant gratification theme. I just think there is less of a desire to go out. When I was young, I was always in search of a party, or a place to go...and so was everyone else, so we were all searching for connections through direct personal interactions. I don't see that with the upcoming generation...at least, I see it much less. A buddy of mine said his daughter is wondering where the men are...she can't meet anyone. (And just so you know, I've met his daughter, and the problem is definitely not her.) While this may not be uniformly true, I do think it is statistically significant. Porn & electronics were ubiquitous in Japan first, and their population started crashing first. Korea, the US and the West have followed the Japanese model.

I'm setting aside China because their population crash is because of heinous government policies, and doesn't apply to the West. China is 1984, where oppression leads to the problem. The US and Western Nations are Brave New World, where the pursuit of instant & easy pleasure leads to the problem.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I agree with your brave New world analogy.

Author: iairishcheeks (28681 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:17 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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There seems to be a lot of attractive, lonely women in their twenties. And I think a part of the reason is the whole me too. Craziness caused a lot of young men to give up on real women.

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In a strange way, this validates long standing Catholic Church teaching, in my personal opinion.

Author: NedoftheHill (45502 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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I'm not directing this post at you, because I know you don't buy into the Church. I'm just making a general comment based on my faith journey, for general consumption.

When I was younger, I used to think that the Church went a little overboard in opposing what seemed like harmless side effects of porn. What's the big deal, I thought.

Now, as I see the harmful individual and societal effects of porn, I think, "Wow...how did the Church know?"

Answer: It didn't know this would happen. It was just sticking to core teachings...which turned out to be far more insightful than maybe even many in the Church realized. I have a new appreciation for the harm of "victimless sins" (and therefore for the Church's long standing opposition to them), as those victimless sins actually heavily victimize the participant when repeated over time.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I don't know if porn is a problem or a symptom of a problem.

Author: iairishcheeks (28681 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:48 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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I'm of the "addiction starts with pain and ends with pain" opinion in general.

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There can be no doubt.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Males used to have to "use" magazines/films that they purchased (or swiped from their old man) to satisfy these urges in the absence of a partner. Then it evolved to be purchased and downloaded, but they still needed an empty room with a V.C.R. or a computer and monitor.

In the last 15 years, however, it can simply be streamed on demand for free from any device that can connect to the internet for free, 24 hours a day. For many, that diminishes the appetites for the effort that comes with building an intimate connection with another person. It also rapidly elevates the hurdle for what's required just to arouse many men beyond what a normal intimate relationship tends to provide.

It isn't good. At all.


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Just think of how hard we had to work to see boobs

Author: Chris94 (37661 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:11 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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I don't know what it would be like to be 14 and have round-the-clock boob access at your fingertips.

I'm surprised they get anything done.


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Repressing impure thoughts has become totally impossible.

Author: Curly1918 (17096 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:34 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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And to think that a JC Penny catalogue was once a teenage age boy's erotic material.

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100%.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:14 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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I used to think it was a bad thing. Now I can't imagine what my G.P.A. would have been with that much available on-demand, and I'm glad I didn't have to find out. I doubt my teenage discipline would have overcome it.

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Japan, China and Russia have declining birth rates as well...Solution:...Immigration.

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:44 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Japan and China have cultural issues with non-ethnic immigration, while Russia seems to favor "Forced Immigration'...e.g. its attempt to "acquire' Ukraine.

Thanks for highlighting Trump's stupidity...and campaign to 'Take America Down'.


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Immigration without assimilation is no bed of roses.

Author: Curly1918 (17096 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:54 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Historically, immigrants to the US mourned the loss of their birthlands and went out of their way to make their children become "Americanized."

NOT ANYMORE!

Today they tend to cling to their old cultures and their kids grow up no holding the US in high esteem.


Link: https://www.hoover.org/research/migration-remaking-europe-there-workable-path-forward-continent

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Aside from Trump's overt efforts to destroy what Reagan championed...i.e. Immigration to keep

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:55 am on Nov 17, 2025
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America growing and prospering has been working just fine...if you hop on a plane and revisit CA and the rest of the West Coast, you'll find that immigrants speaking over 100 languages are assimilating just fine...case in point...our second generation Vietnamese owned car repair center is constantly flooded with cars from all over the area, and when you call them on the phone you wouldn't know they came from another country...they sound, talk and act just like folks whose families have been here for a hundred years.

America was built on Immigration...ALL of us are descendants of Immigrants...it's in our national DNA...unlike European and most other long established countries...they are very much 'Insular'...and therefore less welcoming to 'outsiders'...just like Japan and China.


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The scope of immigration in the Reagan era was several quantum less than today.

Author: Curly1918 (17096 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 12:36 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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If you go to Dearborn, Michigan you can see that assimilation is not exactly "on track."

And in Europe it's been a disaster.


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Since Reagan didn't have to deal with retiring Baby Boomers, the need is even greater...it's akin to

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:44 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Economic Suicide to halt Immigration...what alternative would you suggest?

Thread Level: 6

He's trying to draw another false equivalence.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Specifically, "Reagan supported immigration" = "Only ignorant xenophobes don't support the Biden-era flow of illegal migrants."

Don't waste your time with this. This isn't an attempt at a serious discussion.


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From the George W. Bush Presidential Center..."Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs"...

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:50 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Long history of bipartisan support for Immigration...until Trump.

Are you Anti-American?


Link: https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs

Thread Level: 8

I'm actually not entirely convinced you're an American.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:14 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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We do know that you here pushing an agenda from whatever sackless group is branched out from the regressive party to push propaganda. That much has been fully exposed, as you're not a Notre Dame grad, and you're not this silly identity you've tripped over numerous times trying to claim. You may be from somewhere overseas, but you haven't slipped up to show that yet.

And I'm not addressing your stupid false equivalence that you've tried again to push out.


Thread Level: 9

Reminded of this New Yorker cartoon each time I see another one of Ty's offerings here...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (34260 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:34 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/4c/68/d64c68fc65072f033b8e1c24b4c5782a.jpg

Thread Level: 10

Ha! Awesome.

Author: NedoftheHill (45502 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yes, let's import our next generation rather than encourage our citizens to reproduce.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 am on Nov 17, 2025
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You are a perfect Soros puppet.

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Suspect you could easily pick out Tyrone's car...from the "WWGSD" bumper sticker...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (34260 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Just let Jake try to extricate himself from that hole he just dug...that diversion isn't helping ;-)

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:53 am on Nov 17, 2025
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And how long is that going to take to get more adult workers, Jake?..and what's the probability of

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:24 am on Nov 17, 2025
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it happening?

Have you even thought about those questions?


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Illegal immigration is the answer? Or legal immigration?

Author: NedoftheHill (45502 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:55 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Did you actually expect an answer to you question?

Author: PaND (3058 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 10:25 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Of course he is in favor of illegal immigration.

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Why do you ignore all my posts supporting a bipartisan Border Security and Immigration Bill...like

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:49 am on Nov 17, 2025
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the one Biden got passed in the Senate at the beginning of 2024? That's the only way funding can be established for meaningful long-term changes...like 1,500 more CBP Officers...more Immigration Judges to reduce the time for "Documentation" from 6+ years to less than 6 months...100+ HIgh Tech/High Volume Fentanyl Scanners at our Border Checkpoints...greater scrutiny of Asylum seekers...caps on the number of entry requests, etc.

BTW, I've posted how DJT called for Congress to FINALLY pass such a bill in 2019...then killed Biden's bipartisan Senate Bill in 2024...and STILL hasn't done a thing about it in spite of havoing both Houses of Congress...doesn't that seem odd to you?

Basically, you're a waste of server space.on this site...just thought I'd state the obvious ;-)


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Because it was a garbage bill that codified the mess that you people created.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:27 am on Nov 17, 2025
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I'll ask you the same question (again)...what specifically do you think is wrong with the Bill?

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:57 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Answered repeatedly.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Should be a piece of cake to prove it...what's keeping you?

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:20 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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Apparently just your laziness and (more likely) denial. I don't blame you.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:53 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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The attached link should help you recall what it was that you didn't like about the bill...just

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:32 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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point them out...or are you too lazy to do even that? ;-)

btw, looks like a fantastic bill to me...way better than what Trump called for from Congress in 2019.

While I've got your attention...any ideas on how we can accelerate pregnancies and child rearing to meet our adult worker shortage?


Link: https://www.lankford.senate.gov/issues/calling-out-bidens-chaos-at-the-southern-border-pushing-to-secure-the-us-from-bad-actors-around-the-world/

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Unlike you, I read the bill.

Author: jakers (14279 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:12 pm on Nov 17, 2025
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You are free to find my distaste with it on here. I'm not rehashing to accomodate your laziness.

As for Lankford, his intentions were good, but stupid. He felt that it was a good first step and was "at least something" to start to address the problem. His misguided ambition on it was his inability to see what the left tried to force in. The G.O.P. was correct to squash it.


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The bill was crap, you are the only one still clinging to it.

Author: PaND (3058 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 10:52 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Nothing new was needed to secure the border.

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What about that Bill don't you agree with? The part that funded 1,500 CBP Officers instead of 750

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:31 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Trump asked for in 2019?...

I'm not holding my breath for an intelligent reply from you, Pa...carry on.


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Listen to what the USCCB has to say about how Trump is treating Immigration...i.e. Horribly. The way

Author: TyroneIrish (22579 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:15 am on Nov 17, 2025
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to conduct Immigration properly is through Congressional action...like Trump called for in 2019 when Democrats had control (we can discuss why it didn't happen after Trump's call...short answer DJT's "Border Wall" spending that even Republicans wouldn't support)

Finally, in 2024 Biden worked with rational Republicans in the Senate and got a bipartisan bill passed...only to be killed by Trump so as to keep his #1 campaign issue alive. Note that he still hasn't asked Congress to come up with a Bill...Weird, isn't it, when he has control over the House and Senate.

Are you paying any attention to what' going on here?


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What’s the problem?

Author: jimbasil (53611 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:26 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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You're right. Who cares if we stop having families and raising kids.

Author: Curly1918 (17096 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 9:30 am on Nov 17, 2025
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Live for your personal moment and fuck anything beyond that.

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