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Illinois Governor Jelly Belly signed the "Aid-In-Dying" act the other day.

Author: ELP (10726 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 10:39 am on Dec 16, 2025
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So, here's what the people of Illinois have voted for by their own free will. Abortion on demand , courtesy of taxpayers for legal citizens, illegals, out of state residents, no questions asked. It's part of the Illinois tourism incentive. Get your late term today, visit Great America tomorrow. Gambling, legalized weed, and the recently enacted "Aid-In-Dying" law. Next up, legalized prostitution. Of course, the Catholic Archdiocese has nothing to say about any of it.

Replies to: Illinois Governor Jelly Belly signed the "Aid-In-Dying" act the other day.


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It bears noting that the American Academy of Family Physicians, by a 2:1 margin approved a position

Author: TyroneIrish (22882 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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of "Engaged Neutrality" when it comes to the issue of 'Physician Assisted Dying'...(read their linked statement).

It also bears noting that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)...(Baron's Specialty Organization)...strongly supports the right of women to choose the option of abortion.

i.e. while your position on these issues is certainly understandable, there are others of equal moral standing who disagree with you. Consequently, you should use Critical Thinking and Prudential Judgement to appreciate why those differences exist, and use it to find Common Ground.


Link: https://compassionandchoices.org/news/american-academy-family-physicians-adopts-new-position-engaged-neutrality-medical-aid-dying/

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Situation ethics?

Author: Curly1918 (17225 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:48 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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Who's to say that what our elites deem to be normal won't be condemned as barbaric in the future?

Link: http://tps://www.ancient-origins.net/history/infanticide-0011396

Thread Level: 4

Couldn't find the server...can you cut and paste a relevant excerpt?...btw, "Situational Ethics" is

Author: TyroneIrish (22882 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:36 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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what "Prudential Judgement" is all about....e.g. the RCC's Catechism paragraph on acceptance of KILLING in a "Just War".

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I've never understood the opposition to self-euthanasia.

Author: iairishcheeks (28847 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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Recent case: Canada refuses treatment to woman, leaving her with death as only choice.

Author: NedoftheHill (45691 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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From the CBC article linked below:

"Currently there is no Saskatchewan surgeon able to perform the operation.

"Van Alstine said she must be referred out of province, but she can’t obtain a referral without first being seen by an endocrinologist — and none of them are accepting new patients.

"Van Alstine said the pain has become so unbearable that she has applied and been approved for MAID on Jan. 7."

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Glenn Beck heard about her case and has offered to pay for her travel and treatment in the US. We'll see if she can get here or not.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/glenn-beck-saskatchewan-woman-surgery-assisted-death


Link: CBC: Sask. woman considers assisted dying because she can't get needed surgery for rare disease

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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It won't stop w/ the terminally ill. It never does w/ the Dems.

Author: ELP (10726 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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Any class that are not considered contributors will be on the list. Those who serve no value to the Dems. Those that are a strain on the bottom line. Those who slipped through the cracks of abortion. That's the future of this law. Remember when it was only about civil unions for health insurance reasons? The late great Rush Limbaugh said at the time that the left will never stop there.

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Yes that is the secret plan. Who told you?

Author: Chris94 (37812 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:05 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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You sniffed it out. You're not a complete moron, no matter what all the people you know say.

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What secret plan? The left has left a blueprint of how things work.

Author: ELP (10726 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 3:58 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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It's no mystery. Even you know how it's done. Did I not bring up civil unions and how it has blossomed into your fetishes of men in girls bathrooms and "gender affirming care" for children? How about abortion only in the case of incest and rape? You really can't be this dense.

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Absolutely. Don’t listen to everyone. You’re smart, not like they say.

Author: Chris94 (37812 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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The old slippery slope argument...

Author: iairishcheeks (28847 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:39 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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Link: https://youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw?si=Z65Lk0iQQBZhTlkx

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People who want change rely on the slippery slope to get where they want to go.

Author: NedoftheHill (45691 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:53 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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When that is pointed out to them, they deny that the slippery slope exists, as if they will refuse to take successive compromises to get to their end goal.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Here it is being used against change.

Author: iairishcheeks (28847 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:18 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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Don't you at least wonder what Soylent Green tastes like, even a little?

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Yes, the slope helps change; calling attention to it slows change.

Author: NedoftheHill (45691 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:58 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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I wasn't really commenting on ELP's post. I was just commenting on the slippery slope argument in the abstract. It is admittedly often labeled a logical fallacy. And yet, accounting for societal momentum is still a valid consideration in the real world. A wall is built brick by brick, and some people don't know when to stop stacking bricks. That is how nations fall...incremental debt, or incremental societal rot, or other incremental processes.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You could argue any ridiculous outcome in either direction using that logic.

Author: iairishcheeks (28847 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:40 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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For example, if Trump reschedules cannabis, then before you know it fentanyl and heroin will be legal. Completely unhelpful.

Thread Level: 9

Except that there is no slippery slope towards smaller government, only more government.

Author: NedoftheHill (45691 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:40 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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If you want to argue for smaller government, you need to push the argument up the slope.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yes there is, no government, anarchy.

Author: iairishcheeks (28847 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:55 pm on Dec 16, 2025
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If you allow ARs (and/or bump stocks), then machine guns and grenade launchers are next.

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These policies represent the "managing of our decline."

Author: Curly1918 (17225 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:02 am on Dec 16, 2025
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The good news is "Aid-In-Dying" now only requires busing to certain parts of Chicago...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (34539 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:44 am on Dec 16, 2025
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