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The “warmth” of collectivism was replaced by the ecstasy of freedom in Venezuela

Author: Curly1918 (17288 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:32 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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I guess Mamdami will not be joining the Venezuelans celebrating in NYC

Link: https://nypost.com/2026/01/04/us-news/mayor-mamdanis-comrades-in-dsa-demand-trump-release-nicolas-maduro/

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Thread Level: 2

When Madura was being elected, most of us looked and listened to him and said, how could anyone vote

Author: jimbasil (53867 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:13 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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for him. He's a dirt bag. Following Chavez, he'd have to be terrible. We American's knew that back then. We all asked, what is it they see
in this guy? He's a real douchebag. What is he selling that Venezuelans are buying and promoting.
And no supreme court would ever grant him special powers beyond his mandate as president. No one would be able to trust him.
Well, at least it couldn't happen here.

We as a nation would never have tried to alter voting rights in this country by stripping away all laws protecting that right and we surely see
Venezuelans aren't all that smart, so they're easily duped. A bus driver - to president?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you MAGA.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 2

You can’t put lipstick on Trump’s grab of a sovereign nation.

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:02 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Thread Level: 3

Do you think the US should release Maduro and restore him to power?

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

First state whether or not you approve of Trump claiming ownership of Venezuela’s oil and ‘Running’

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:10 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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the Country.

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Thread Level: 5

I don't know that Trump will do any of that. He says crazy shit all the time.

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:53 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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I'm in wait and see mode. If this is a pure play against Venezuela, then it is a good move for the Venezuelan people, but I can't say I support it.

I am starting to wonder if this is an anti-China play, to let them know that if they take Taiwan, we will lock down Venezuela (much the same way the English did to neurtral Iceland in WWII to lock in Germany). 78% of Venezuelan oil goes to China. If it doesn't, that could cripple China, much the same way that Japan was crippled by lack of oil in WWII.

Now that I have answered your question, please answer my question, which was directly on point to your initial post, but you are avoiding it anyway.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

You jumped in under my post regarding Trump’s seizure of a sovereign nation…respond to it…

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:30 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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then we’ll talk about your issue….

Thread Level: 6

...by asking how you would address your concern...but you won't answer.

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:42 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 7

You're not acknowledging what DJT actually said...i.e. he is taking control of Venezuela and its oil

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:33 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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for some undetermined amount of time...do you have any problem with that?...do you believe it is legal?

Thread Level: 8

Whatever he said, I acknowledge he said it. You don't need me to research his statements.

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:14 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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I think the concept of "legality" is ambiguous at best when applied between sovereign nations. Legality is usually decided by the victors.

Regarding this case, look at some other similar examples for comparison: Was it "legal" to arrest Noriega? ...or Saddam Hussein?

Was it "legal" to attack Qadaffi to effect regime change in Libya?

You act like you know, so please tell me if you do know. I am not so confident. Strange that you act so confident, but avoid all discussion.

Query: Would it be "legal" for Mamdani to arrest Netanyahu? I don't think so under US law, because he is a mayor, not POTUS exercising his war powers. What say you?

If you don't think arresting Maduro was legal, how would you remedy the situation?...like we do in the US, by letting the arrestee go? Would you support releasing Maduro and reinstating him as the leader of Venezuela?

If you don't want to answer any of my questions, I will honor your wish not to discuss this issue. Or, perhaps you are not as confident of your position on these issues as you pretend, which is also fine, but how can you be so indignant when you are ignorant on the subject?


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 9

The attached New Yorker article covers this legality issue very well, and the interviewee is about

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:38 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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as 'credentialed' as you can find....per this lead-in excerpt...let me know your thoughts after reading it...
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On Saturday morning, President Donald Trump announced that the United States military, working with American law-enforcement officials, had carried out a strike in Venezuela, capturing the country’s President, Nicolás Maduro, and his wife, Cilia Flores. Maduro was indicted in a federal court in New York for his role in what the Administration claims is a narco-terrorism conspiracy. At a press conference later on Saturday, Trump said, “We are going to run the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper, and judicious transition.” He also said that he was not concerned about “boots on the ground,” referring to an American military presence.

I spoke by phone on Saturday morning with Oona Hathaway, a professor at Yale Law School and the director of its Center for Global Legal Challenges. She is also the president-elect of the American Society of International Law. During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, we discussed whether Maduro can legally be tried in American courts, the long history of U.S. meddling in Latin America, and what makes Trump’s decision so uniquely dangerous.

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Link: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-brazen-illegality-of-trumps-venezuela-operation

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Thread Level: 10

You still won't discuss by answering simple questions yes or no.

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:33 am on Jan 5, 2026
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I understand you don't want to discuss this. But, if you ever want to answer my questions, even with an "I don't know," I will be happy to discuss with you.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 7

LOL...another 'Tucker Carlson' "Do Loop"....

Author: TyroneIrish (23110 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:01 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Thread Level: 8

I answered above, and yet you still won't answer. The only surprise...

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:19 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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...is how open and shameless you are about your own duplicity.

I have no idea what you mean by mentioning Carlson. Perhaps that is your goal...mention something no one can figure out, in the hope that people are distracted from you being so duplicitous.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

You can't answer? Not allowed to yet? Or, you just don't know what answer you are supposed to give?

Author: NedoftheHill (45815 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:21 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 2

Maduro was/is a complete cretin. Ruined his country.

Author: Chris94 (37953 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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No one disputes this.

But his crooked regime is still in charge; the corrupt Venezuelan military is intact and in place.


Thread Level: 3

Was he elected or did he just take control of the country? Maybe Trump is trying to save

Author: TampaIrish (11914 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Democracy in Venezuela? You know, like you’re trying to do here.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 4

Yes this is all about democracy!

Author: Chris94 (37953 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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Bwahahahah

Thread Level: 4

Instead of trying to be a know-it-all on all subjects, look it up, then post as if you do know who

Author: jimbasil (53867 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:14 pm on Jan 4, 2026
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he is and how he got to his position.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

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