Who in their right mind disregards armed law enforcement officers?
I personally am no fan of guns at all… for good reason
Replies to: Who in their right mind disregards armed law enforcement officers?
Since when is blocking traffic a Capital Offense requiring lethal force?...the woman was
complying with instructions to move her car, and she turned AWAY from the officer to do so...the video and witness reports support that account.
You can't not gaslight.
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It happens all the time and guess what…
The vast majority of the time, no one gets shot.
Check this out DFH.
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Link: https://x.com/vebo1991/status/2009116802455097846?s=61
My guess is that you are not black.
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According to 23 and me, I am .02% sub Saharan African
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One drop rule... my brotha! We all evolved from our African ancestors.
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In fairness, I am African from the bottom of my belly button to the top of my thighs.
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Hmmm... good thing you did not live in past eras.
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Link: https://factbasedurology.com/penis-size/ideal-history/
I don’t know man. This video look like he gets hit by the SUV.
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Link: https://x.com/0hour1/status/2009263907102163442?s=61
Barely touched him. If she wanted to do harm, she would have gone straight or
turned left into him. Still not a justified shooting in my opinion.
Let's put you in his shoes at the moment and see how you'd react?
The standard to be applied is from the perspective of the shooter given the totality of the circumstances.
Impossible, but I’d like to think that I’d try to de-escalate the situation…
Both agents went in “hot” obviously startling the lady. Drawing a firearm wasn’t needed. The agent by the window didn’t draw his weapon.
The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle.
The agent who drew his gun did not draw it until the wheels of the car directed the car at him, and the wheels started to spin as she tried to accelerate. Watch it frame by frame.
Again, I'm willing to have a conversation about whether we want to let our law enforcement officers treat vehicles as deadly weapons. But, let's not pretend that this officer's actions are somehow outside the norm. Indeed, the officer on the side probably could have drawn and fired; there have been cases where officers fired because the car continued to move and they feared being knocked under a wheel of the car. I'm not saying it is right, and I'm willing to discuss whether we should change the standard. But, this case is far more cut and dry than many: the officer was justified legally under current norms. Let's discuss changing those norms.
I disagree. The agent to the front wasn’t being targeted either…
The lady steered right to avoid him. Yes, she peeled out, but it didn’t appear to me that she intended to run the agent in front down.
We will see if state charges are levied.
Her personal subjective intent is not relevant to the legal analysis.
If you point a gun at a police officer with subjective intent to holster the gun, don't be surprised if you get shot...and don't be surprised if the police officer is not even arrested. Then again, this is Minnesota.
It’s completely relevant and the video supports the relevancy. .
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Looking forward to your explanation of how that is relevant under Minnesota statute.
Perhaps you can try to make it relevant in the political arena, but under the statute, I don't see it, so it is legally irrelevant, which was my only point.
But, that won't stop many here from pounding the table on this topic.
"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table."
...Who? The January 6th insurrectionists
...and they were pardoned.
The unarmed rioters shot by police? Yes, them too.
They should not have been doing what they were doing.
I wonder why we don't see Democrats urging, "Go ahead and protest, please. But don't interfere."
Maybe the occasional martyr can be politically useful.
“Because these poorly trained, masked goons are likely to kill you.”
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Weird. They won't even say that.
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Weird. It's almost as if they want to encourage confrontation and resistance.
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Please stop with the "masked goons" shit. There are people online actively doxxing these
agents and putting their families at risk. But he works for Trump so that is ok with you.
In America, we don’t have secret police. ICE is a disgrace.
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Right, we have crazy ass Liberals who think it's their job to obstruct ICE and you don't
seem to have an issue with that. Always the victim and never fault for your side of the fence.
We have the internet, violent libs, and MS-13 eager to find ICE families.
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Right, so we need a secret police. The next president will almost certainly disband ICE.
Hopefully the Democratic House will refuse to fund it.
They are needed to clean up the Biden Border Crisis mess-which you don’t want cleaned up
They are wesring masks because they don’t want libs and criminal orgs here now thanks to Dems and Biden hunting them down.
You know this. Your are a partisan.
ICE isn't secret. They operate out in the open and arrest criminals. If they were secret, how
could these lunatics track them and obstruct them from doing their jobs? I'm sure you would love them to disappear and for the next Democrat President to re-open the border and flood the US again with illegals. As long as those people aren't in your state.
That’s what secret police do, champ
Secret identities, disregard for the law, answerable only to the executive.
Should it be illegal for antifa to wear masks?
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You're wrong. They are following the law and arresting people here unlawfully, champ.
But don't let facts get in the way of your dramatic bullshit.
Please provide us with the training records of the officer involved.
Thank you in advance.
She was scared and made a mistake
They could have pulled her over. Or arrested her later.
Instead she’s dead.
Probably. But the subjective mental state of a person pointing a gun at a cop doesn't figure into it
And law enforcement treats vehicles and guns the same. They consider them both to be deadly weapons.
We should alalyze this issue at a general level: Do we want LEO's to use deadly force in these circumstances. Unfortunately, we will likely analyze them in the context of politics, and should Trump have sent that guy there, etc.
Bottom line: comply with law enforcement. I trained all my kids to comply. Do not run...do not fight...even if the cop is being unreasonable or acting illegally. The time to point out such illegality is the next day in court.
Where's the evidence that she was scared?
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This is a reasonable take
Although it appears the agent had the right to shoot, he probably shouldn't have.
She put herself in this situation, you have no idea what her emotional state was.
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If the news is right, she wasn’t some soccer mom who made a bad left turn. She was an agitator.
This isn’t a consequence free game.
She drove across state lines to do this. Her wife got out of the car to film the interaction
While she blocked ICE from Leaving. She knew exactly what she was doing. You don’t drive that far for no reason. They went there with a purpose, they found it and it cost her. Here’s a tip for the next maniac who blocks ICE - don’t do it or maybe just listen to the lawful orders you are being given.
“She was living in the Twin Cities at the time of her death.” - Washington post
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"at the time of her death" doesn't really refute anything. If she travelled to do this, she needed a
place to stay. The WaPo is known for tailoring the information. This then becomes, "she was living in Mn at the time of er death". I'd say it's TBD until more credible reporting is available.
Oh, if the Wapo said it, it has to be true. Ok. she was living there. That gives her the right
to obstruct ICE from doing their job and disregard a lawful order? Why was her wife outside the car filming this while it happened? Why was the car parked sideways in the middle of the road?
Again, she inserted herself into this. This was not a spur of the moment decision. One witness claimed she was the lead car in pack trying to obstruct ICE.
It only means you were wrong
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Keep hanging your hat on that. The broad is still dead and hopefully it prevents dumbasses that you
support to end up the same way. Hard lesson but one that had to be taught.
So it was ANOTHER radical, violent action from the radical LGBTQ. There is a segment of jihadists
within their ranks. These people are mentally unstable, profoundly angry at their unhappiness which they are being told is someone else’s fault, and then they are being fomented into action and turned upon the enemies of the Dem Party and the Left.
How many times are we seeing this? What is going on with them? Who is directing them? Important questions.
Was this a social media stunt?
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I don't think it was done for clicks. They aren't influencers. I think they are activists who go
around and protest ICE doing their job. This married couple have kids at home and decided to travel to Minneapolis to do this. These people are nuts and are protecting illegals who are here unlawfully.
Link: https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/2009142447905882188?s=61
These are disgusting beings
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Big assumption given her aggressive actions to put herself in that situation.
You naturally see an innocent in her and a demon on the agent. You are hopelessly biased. Had the agent not shot, things MIGHT have gone as you believe. But she may also have continued to drive her vehicle into him and I would be posting “Violence comes from the Left” again.
Perhaps she was scared, but her presence in the situation of blocking the agent suggests that she was full of the same bile that we have seen on this board, and that I have warned you about yourself. At the point she was confronted, I suspect that she panicked, but that distinction means nothing to an agent in front of her big Pilot SUV with an instant to react to an aggressive, noncompliant action.
It’s sad that she is dead. The entire context of the incident as well as the result were the creation of the radical Left.
She had been up to no good and felt entitled to escape.
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None in their Right mind, many in their Left mind.
This sad event threatens their core presumed special privilege.
Go back one more step. Who stops their car at an angle to block the road during a law enforcement
action? She was guilty of a crime before ICE approached her.
Listen to Scott Jennings on CNN. Words matter, especially when tied in with TDS.
Words like Nazi and Gestapo. It’s all political theater that force mentally weak people to take action. I don’t know how they don’t have jobs and they just protest and follow ICE around but it seems to be happening.
Link: https://x.com/overton_news/status/2009107629776265694?s=61
His summation of the situation is correct, why are these people doing this?
There are videos all over You tube.
This woman and her wife traveled from Missouri to be there to obstruct ICE. Her wife
Got out of the car while she blocked ICE from leaving the area to film the interaction. She was just not driving by or a scared woman. I guess this is a thing now where we have “legal observers” who just go around and obstruct ICE. Not sure what the pay is but it’s not worth risking your life.
Link: https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/2009142447905882188?s=61
They have to be getting money from somewhere, sad situation that these people are brainwashed.
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You'd have to be Deranged to support a Convicted Felon, Rapist, Fraud and Indicted Insurrectionist..
yet here you, and other MAGAs, are doing just that...oh, and don't forget Trump's Sociopathic Narcissism that defines his goal in life.
Doesn't it bother you that the Dems have done this before with Eugene Debs?
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Guy’s TDS is worse than his scorching case of herpes.
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Who in their right mind stands in front of a “suspect” vehicle?
Police training, particularly regarding traffic stops and vehicle encounters, strongly advises against standing directly in front of a suspect vehicle. This, along with not standing behind a suspect vehicle, is considered a "no-go" area because it places the officer in a direct path of danger.
Key Reasons for Not Standing in Front of a Vehicle
The "Weapon" Risk: A vehicle, even at low speeds, is a deadly force weapon. If a driver decides to flee or attack, they can accelerate over the officer.
Limited Escape Routes: Standing in front removes an officer's ability to move laterally to safety if the car moves forward.
Poor Visibility/Ambush: Approaching from the front can leave an officer blinded by headlights at night and, if the vehicle is on but not in motion, allows the driver to easily drive over them.
Incorrect "Blocking" Tactic: Officers are taught not to stand in front of moving vehicles to block them, as this is ineffective and dangerous.
Who in their right mind interferes in a legal federal law enforcement operation?
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Poorly trained ideological goons
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“Who in their right mind stands in front of a bullet, Your Honor? My client is innocent!”
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Do you advise your clients to act like this crazed lunatic did?
Dead clients don't pay.
She did not act like a crazed lunatic. Her death is the result of poorly trained ICE agents.
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A reasonable person would know that the car was going to be stopped if it eluded ICE.
Thankfully, a high-speed chase did not occur. ICE had no idea if the driver had a gun or not.
ICE are not law enforcement officers like normal LEOs
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Correct, they are federal like the FBI, DEA or ATF.
What's your point?
The point is ICE operates on limited jurisdiction. They can't search a car because they smell weed.
They can't enter your home without a proper signed warrant, etc. They are limited officers of DHS.
They are federal officers enforcing Immigration and Customs laws.
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