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Im not convinced after this tragedy that the greatest threat to the USA is not civil war. Few on

Author: irish93 (1907 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2009)

Posted at 8:43 am on Jan 8, 2026
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either side seem interested in looking into the truth of what happened and would rather quickly assign blame.

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We agree on that. No one should be okay with US Government employees killing citizens.

Author: ND521 (9704 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 9:47 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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There are fringe loons on both sides that think they want a civil war…

Author: Domer From Hell (17577 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:49 am on Jan 8, 2026
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However, the truth is the first time a bullet cracks by their heads, they’ll cower like little bitches.

We're all born bald baby!
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Baron doesn't ever mention the mass shootings of Black people in Buffalo, or HIspanics in El Paso by

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:20 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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lunatics who were influenced by right wing rhetoric...there are unfortunately such people on both ends of the political spectrum. As an ND grad and physician, he should instinctively understand this reality...that he doesn't is troubling.

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Indeed. Quite different from shooting children in church or speakers from roof tops

Author: BaronVonZemo (62321 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:28 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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The LGBTQ mafia are cowards who would pee their pants under crossfire.
That is why it is ironic that they are pushing for civil war.


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Things were far more divided in the 60's... when there were REAL issue dividers.

Author: Curly1918 (17309 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:05 am on Jan 8, 2026
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Civil rights and Viet Nam actually impacted the lives of Americans.

Illegal immigration barely impacts any of us today.

It's worthwhile enforcing our immigration laws but no need to make a public display of it.

My guess is that historically Democrats have deported more illegals than Republicans. They just did not exploit it for political purposes.

On the other hand, until recently neither party supported illegal immigration as a means of vote buying.

So it's not just fringe players who are spicing up this divide.


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"U.S. Chamber: We Can't Fill 11.3M Open Jobs Without more Legal Immigration"...you were doing fine

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:04 am on Jan 8, 2026
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until you added in the "Vote Buying" trope....we genuinely need those workers for all sorts of industries which I'm sure you know well.

Once again,..in 2019 Trump called on Congress to "Finally" pass legislation that would fix our broker Border Security and Immigration System...then in 2024 Biden supported an even better bill with bipartisan Senate support...only to be Killed by him so as to 'Keep from Losing GOP Votes' in the coming election.

The only person playing with our Border Security and Immigration System for 'Voting Purposes' is Donald J. Trump.


Link: https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/u-s-chamber-we-cant-fill-xx-million-open-jobs-without-more-legal-immigration

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I've always supported "legal" immigration. Oh! And the ones I know disfavor "illegal" line jumpers.

Author: Curly1918 (17309 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:16 am on Jan 8, 2026
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Let's see how investigations of Somalian fraudsters turn out. Perhaps this was more than vote buying... it may have been illegal campaign funding as well.

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Biden and the Dems support strong Border Security and Immigration Vetting, as demonstrated by their

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:40 am on Jan 8, 2026
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support of the 2024 Bipartisan Senate Bill Co-Sponsored by GOP Senator Lankford.

Attached is his summary of the key measures, which address your concerns.

It sure would help if you'd do some Critical Thinking...e.g. open minded research...before posting easily debunked tropes.


Link: https://www.lankford.senate.gov/issues/calling-out-bidens-chaos-at-the-southern-border-pushing-to-secure-the-us-from-bad-actors-around-the-world/

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Bwaha. Thanks for the laugh.

Author: MuskyTommy (4156 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 12:43 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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You honesty think it's funny for a President to join with members of his rival party in crafting

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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bipartisan legislation that actually addresses...and funds...outstanding improvements to our broken immigration system? You're a weird one.

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No I’m laughing at you. Weird? Says the guy who showers with kids.

Author: MuskyTommy (4156 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 4:18 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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Of course you are...rather than deal with facts and reality...that's too bad, but also a reality.

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:22 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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At least you don’t deny it

Author: MuskyTommy (4156 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 4:30 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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The Border Bill was a worthless piece of garbage and was correctly squashed.

Author: jakers (14389 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:32 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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As has already been demonstrated, it sought to codify the Biden Administration's massive flow of illegals.

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Read Lankford's statement on the Bill...it's much more than what DJT called for in 2019...which I

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:03 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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have also provided...everyone can see them...time for you to open your eyes to the truth of what's going on...i.e. Trump isn't trying to solve our Immigration issues, he's using them to keep low information voters, like yourself, riled up over something that could have been resolved two years ago.

One other, very important, thing to consider...virtually ALL legislation represents a "Compromise"...that's how PROGRESS is made, and Sen. Lankford stated that on the Senate floor...neither party got a "Perfect Bill" in their eyes, but the end result addressed all issues on the table in a positive way. Trying to Bully the other side into accepting only your version is unrealistic and certainly Non-Productive...I'd also say that since our own Constitution was an exercise in "Compromise"...it's Un-American to insist on "Getting" and not "Giving".


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You've already lost this nonsense argument.

Author: jakers (14389 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:59 am on Jan 9, 2026
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Dude. Have some self respect. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Author: NedoftheHill (45860 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:05 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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You can support your position by not lying blatantly. You could say that you support strong border security and vetting. But, obviously Biden's handlers did not. We all see the difference between the weak border security and vetting under Biden and the strong border security and vetting under Trump.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Ned, your blindness has indicted you...go to the 40:40 mark and watch a very coherent Joe Biden

Author: TyroneIrish (23146 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:24 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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speak and interact with the Congressional audience in his 2024 SOTU speech...and pay close attention to Sen. Lankford's head nod and lips saying "It's True".

Everything I've said is true...you...not so much. You've got a lot of work ahead of you to straighten yourself out.




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Did marshmallow brain ever find dead Jackie? He was looking for her once.

Author: MuskyTommy (4156 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Jan 8, 2026
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yoCe2rJFks

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Good points.

Author: Domer From Hell (17577 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:31 am on Jan 8, 2026
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And even then we weren’t close to a civil war.

We're all born bald baby!
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.Oh! It also generates "clicks."

Author: Curly1918 (17309 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 10:04 am on Jan 8, 2026
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As always, civil war is on the mind of those on the right

Author: Chris94 (38006 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:21 am on Jan 8, 2026
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We know that Trump would welcome it.

But in reality we are nowhere close. Sorry.


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The democratic party is in the midst of their own civil war. It is the Party of Disagreeance .

Author: Hensou (10103 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 10:04 am on Jan 8, 2026
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Sorry, who 's encouraging interference w Feds? Attempting assassinations?Setting up sovereign states

Author: BaronVonZemo (62321 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:28 am on Jan 8, 2026
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in downtown cities? Fomenting crowds to make the SCOTUS "reap the whirlwind" should they not rule the way that the Left wants?

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The civil war is between those who project their own self-hatred onto the country... and...

Author: Curly1918 (17309 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:58 am on Jan 8, 2026
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those who love the country (and themselves) despite its (their own) flaws.

The woman who died had been devoting her life to protecting illegal immigrants even if they were the worst of criminals.


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Indeed. Many of the same outraged people here were celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

Author: BaronVonZemo (62321 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:51 am on Jan 8, 2026
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In the horrible assassination event, the radical Left figures that Kirk “deserved” hat happened to him, and he has himself to blame for being in that situation.
But here? Oh my no. Liberalism Rule #2 “The Rules Apply To Thee, And Not Me”.

It’s all political to the Dems, their MSM mouthpiece, and to their radicalized base - a base that drives their car in front of federal agents, and disobey their orders. They are taught that they will get an afternoon in jail and lots of notoriety and respect from their friends afterwards for their efforts. Then this happens and cognitive dissonance occurs. Thus outrage.

Their minds are twisted.


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If so, it will be a short war. The libs have nothing to shoot off but their mouths.

Author: Hensou (10103 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 8:48 am on Jan 8, 2026
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There are recordings of the incident that will help the investigation.

Author: PaND (3120 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 8:46 am on Jan 8, 2026
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As you can see by the Minneapolis Mayor's comments the left doesn't care about it's outcome. They know she was in the wrong and will spin it to death.


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