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Raise your hand if you are Vance’s target audience. Like we can’t already tell.

Author: conorlarkin (22121 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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Why Vance Committed So Hard to the Minneapolis Shooter

By David Frum

More than donald trump, more than Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, more than anyone in ICE’s leadership, J. D. Vance has made himself the lead defender of the killing in Minnesota. Why?

The day after the shooting, Vance announced a new administration effort to prosecute welfare fraud in Minnesota and elsewhere. Vance’s message started hot and got hotter. He blamed immigrants in general—and Somali immigrants in particular—for cheating taxpayers and raising the cost of child care for Americans. Then he launched into a denunciation of Renee Nicole Good, the woman shot dead in Minneapolis. He accused her of intentionally attacking a federal agent with her car. He alleged that she belonged to a broader network of activists who plotted “to attack, to dox, to assault” federal law enforcement. He blasted media outlets for covering her killer unsympathetically.

Vance’s words were not a spontaneous reaction to an unexpected question. They were planned, the message he arrived to drive. He did not wait for all of the facts. He did not bother with any notes of compassion for the dead woman and her grieving family.

That he did so may seem especially bold given the political context. According to a poll taken the same day as the shooting in Minneapolis, the public has turned against ICE’s often-brutal methods. A majority of Americans condemn ICE as “too forceful.” Vance began his term as perhaps the least popular new vice president in the history of polling. Identifying himself with ICE at its deadliest might seem a hazardous move for such a disliked politician.

But there is a logic to Vance’s combative stance. Vance clearly understood what ICE means to Trump’s base.

For MAGA America, ICE is an instrument for cleansing violence. Visit ICE social-media accounts and you’ll see, again and again, videos of armed force against unarmed individuals, against a soundtrack of pumping music. There’s a montage of aggressive arrests in Minnesota of unarmed, nonwhite men, many of them thrown to the ground and cuffed, set to the 1977 hit “Cold as Ice”: “Someday you’ll pay the price.”

Rarely do these videos present a situation that couldn’t be managed with a couple of plainclothes officers bearing holstered sidearms. The point is to prove that the fearsome power of the American state is being wielded by righteous MAGA hands against despised MAGA targets.

MAGA Republicans do not reliably care about laws or the people who enforce them. One of Trump’s first actions upon entering office was to pardon more than 1,500 people charged in connection with the January 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol, including many convicted of violent offenses against the police. He has denigrated the FBI and transformed the agency into a tool of retribution, and he regularly disparages prosecutors and law-enforcement officials if they fail to comply with his will.

ICE is violence-prone in part because the agency has lowered its training standards and ditched much of its background vetting to meet the president’s grandiose deportation targets. But more fundamentally, ICE is violence-prone because its main purpose has become theatrical. Under present leadership, ICE is less a law-enforcement agency than it is a content creator.

Americans want borders enforced. They want foreign criminals apprehended and deported. They want unfounded asylum claimants to be removed promptly. But most Americans don’t thrill to spectacular acts of six-on-one violence aimed at DoorDash delivery men. ICE’s approval ratings have duly plummeted.

Again and again, ICE agents are encountering members of the public who reject their protection and sympathize with the supposed invaders. Yet ICE’s powers against U.S. citizens are limited. Americans can record ICE operations, follow ICE motorcades, and vex and annoy ICE personnel, and there’s not much that ICE or Border Patrol agents can legally do to stop them—hence the turn to unlawful force instead.

That’s the mentality the whole world saw in videos of the killing of Good in Minneapolis, including the one seemingly recorded by the shooter himself. The ICE agent will likely argue that he opened fire on Good—who was unarmed and driving away—to save his own life. But the videos also raise the possibility that he fired because he felt disrespected by a person who—in his opinion—owed him deference. ICE agents who use violence may be counting on superiors to back them up, because they feel disrespected too, and by the whole ungrateful country. Which returns us to Vance and his don’t bother me with the facts defense of the ICE shooter.

MAGA is many things, but above all it’s a movement about redistributing respect away from those who command too much (overeducated coastal elites) to those who don’t have enough (white Americans without advanced degrees who feel left behind). You see that redistribution at work in the Trump administration’s project to devalue medical experts and empower wellness gurus and vaccine skeptics, and in its dismissal of “deep state” national-security professionals in favor of TV pundits.

Nowhere does the demand to redistribute respect come into starker view than when guns start firing. In Trump’s first term, Kyle Rittenhouse—who shot and killed two men and injured a third during protests against police brutality in Wisconsin in August 2020—became a MAGA hero largely because he was enforcing the MAGA vision of respect due. Many Americans saw him as a trigger-happy 17-year-old vigilante, but to the MAGA faithful he was a brave soldier in the larger war against MAGA enemies, real and imagined.

The ICE agent who killed Good is Trump’s second-term Kyle Rittenhouse. Of course the agent could have walked away and left everyone unharmed. By law, perhaps he should have walked away: It’s generally illegal for a law-enforcement officer to kill a civilian seeking to escape, more so if the civilian is unarmed, and even more so if the civilian is not a criminal suspect of any kind. But letting protesters drive off unscathed, without punishing them for their disrespect, would let them “get away with it.” And that would be an intolerable affront to the MAGA vision of who must submit to whom.

By coming so vociferously to the shooter’s defense, Vance full-throatedly committed himself to the MAGA mission of enforcing respect by any means necessary. Because there’s always such a strong whiff of cynical calculation and inauthenticity about Vance, he has to say more and go further than many natural MAGA personalities do. He has to pay moral cash where others might be trusted on moral credit. If the Minneapolis shooter is the next Kyle Rittenhouse, Vance dared not delay before thrusting himself at this new MAGA hero’s side.

This is how we arrive at a moment when the country’s highest-ranking officials are endorsing a lethal shooting on the basis of claims refuted by the evidence. Failure to heed the MAGA campaign to redistribute respect is insolence punishable by death.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

Replies to: Raise your hand if you are Vance’s target audience. Like we can’t already tell.


Thread Level: 2

You'll find someone like Walz to lose to him.

Author: iairishcheeks (29015 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:42 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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And they still wont be able, to figure it out.

Author: Frankx (6039 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 1:43 am on Jan 14, 2026
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"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot"........Mark Twain.

Author: ELP (10942 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:07 am on Jan 14, 2026
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He was way ahead of his time dealing with Democrats.

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Louis CK

Author: iairishcheeks (29015 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:55 am on Jan 14, 2026
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Link: https://youtu.be/VmeRYo10acg?si=wkR5aAaS4q95Inw5

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Thanks, Gonna pull one of his books out

Author: Frankx (6039 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 10:52 am on Jan 14, 2026
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he'll make a fabulous 48

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16704 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:12 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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Vance is Trump’s man servant.

Author: Domer From Hell (17652 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:06 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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We're all born bald baby!
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So now Vance is demonized. It was never really about Trump, it's about Ds keeping power at any cost

Author: BaronVonZemo (62437 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:02 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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Vance's only audience is hard core MAGAs...everyone else can see his lack of authenticity and ethics

Author: TyroneIrish (23241 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:25 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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...Peter Thiel made a poor choice pushing JD onto the Trump ticket.

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Yep and the original post... trolling. Must have gone to mass.

Author: Frankx (6039 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 9:44 pm on Jan 13, 2026
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