Question to all you attorneys - can the state of Minnesota charge the ICE officers with violating
Pretti’s civil rights?
Replies to: Question to all you attorneys - can the state of Minnesota charge the ICE officers with violating
Almost every State has a version of Federal 1983 civil statute, and criminal statutes to prosecute.
As a federal agent, defendant can remove civil suit or criminal prosecution to federal court.
Civil action has to overcome immunity hurdles.
If Minnesota seeks a criminal prosecution, they should wait until new Administration in power.
I’m not being combative, but what civil rights were violated?
It seems to me it’s either a justifiable homicide or not, and any charges would stem from that under Federal law.
Re: I’m not being combative, but what civil rights were violated?
The right to abuse and assault federal agents .
Re: I’m not being combative, but what civil rights were violated?
How about the right to walk down the street and help a woman in distress.
I know this is not “enumerated” in the Constitution but if we can read that document and find INFINITE executive power we can probably find this too.
This discussion is far beyond your capabilities.
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How so?
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Not an attorney but …
The following constitutional rights were infringed:
1st - speech - he is allowed to protest peacefully
2nd - arms - he was legally carrying and law enforcement can not justify its behavior especially given that the weapon was not drawn or used illegally
4th - search and seizure - they had no right to apprehend and seize his weapon which was not being used illegally
8th - cruel and unusual punishment - shooting the man 10 times especially after his weapon was seized by ICE
10th - states rights - ICE is infringing on normal state protections.
Those civil penalties should also consider criminal penalties for voluntary man slaughter or possibly second degree murder. These “brown shirt” tactics should jail all of these SOBs.
Nothing to do with the law but why would a demonstrator bring a semi-automatic to a peaceful protest
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As I posted earlier, it's entirely possible that Alex Pretti wanted to provide additional protection
for Doctors, Nurses, Staff and Patients at the Hospital where he worked in the ICU, in case a gunman overcame a Security Guard and took his gun (see my earlier post that details such an instance very recently). Word travels around the Medical Community about such things...it would make perfect sense for a very fit 37 yr old man...and Nurse...to want to protect others...ergo the concealed carry permit.
I'll also repeat what I said earlier...ICU Docs and Nurses have to be "On Call" many times at any time of the Day or Night, in case of Medical Emergencies...Therefore, it's reasonable for him to constantly carry that handgun with him virtually everywhere...everyday. I'll be talking with our family ICU Doc fairly soon and get that perspective on such a scenario.
btw, re: 2 'Mags' of Ammo...should Alex Pretti be the 'Last Resort' after a Security Guard is overwhelmed...he just might need an above average amount of ammunition.
Ask rittenhouse defenders. They have the answer.
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When he engaged ICE, I’d say he forfeited all of those except 8
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Hmmm … let me get this straight
Engaging in your mind includes:
1. Using your camera to record their behavior
2. Walking backwards and then ICE putting their hand on you
3. After seeing a woman inappropriately and unprofessionally shoved standing in front of her to prevent further abuse
4. Being sprayed with mace
These ICE agents are inadequately trained. Shooting a man in the back who was by no means violent AFTER removing his legally carried weapon was unforgivable. They had six agents and were unable to control one person. They need to be fired and, then, arrested.
One problem with that - he didn’t engage with ICE.
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He engaged with a woman who they were engaging with, so he did
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Yes he was helping her up from being pushed to the ground by ICE.
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