Investigations are for the birds ... shoot 'n kill with impunity.
Replies to: Investigations are for the birds ... shoot 'n kill with impunity.
WaPo is in deep trouble. The end is near.
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Michael Byrd . Now that's shoot to kill with impunity.
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If ICE agents stopped a violent mob from storming the Capitol, you’d have a point
But they didn’t, so you don’t.
And you’re apparently too dumb to see the difference.
ELP isn’t dumb. That’s uncalled for.
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It's OK. Another Dem hissy fit tantrum. We've all grown used to it.
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Thank you for making my point that agent fatal shootings are always investigated. Until now.
Odd that Trump called for a full investigation. More Fake News from WaPo.
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Right. I'm sure it was some kind of investigation.
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Yes. It was a thorough and formal investigation. It is what America has always demanded.
Do you oppose formal investigations when a federal agent or police officer is involved in a fatal shooting?????
It appears otherwise.
Right. I'll take your word for it. Everything on the up & up
Gaslight away.
You should realize that you take the word of a Convicted Felon, Fraud, Rapist, Insurrectionist and
collaborator with our nation's worst enemy...
You don't have a leg to stand on.
I'll take the word of a convicted felon, fraud, rapist, insurrectionist over you any day.
I'm good like that.
LOL...you still don't have a leg to stand on...whether you comprehend it or not. Donald J. Trump has
shown he has no morals or ethics...not many dispute this...but apparently you don't care that this shines a very poor light on your own ethics and morals...sorry to hear that.
Ashli Babbitt was part of the mob that smashed an opening in the last barrier separating them
from members of Congress trying to hide themselves from the rioters. Lt. Byrd was their last line of protection...he had his gun raised for several minutes in full view while yelling for the mob to stay back. If he were to let Ashli Babbitt through, everyone would follow her...Absolutely Justified for him to shoot...and it did indeed stop the mob.
The truth of the matter is that Donald Trump is responsible for her death...he Lied about a 'Stolen Election' and instigated the attack on the Capitol which led to her shooting.
She was unarmed and harmless. You hate women, too?
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Think for a moment...she's the first one through the broken window...there are only a handful of DC
Cops to stop the mob...if Lt. Byrd doesn't shoot that first person, heaven knows what happens to the Congressmen and women he's sworn an oath to protect?
It didn't matter if the first rioter through the window was male or female...they had to be stopped...and as video evidence showed, he repeatedly shouted for them to stay back, and had his gun fully visible for several moments if not minutes. Ashli Babbitt could see and hear him, apparently she thought it was all one grand adventure.
Donald J. Trump is FULLY responsible for her death...had he not perpetrated his BIG LIE about a Stolen Election, she'd be alive today.
Sounds like a poorly trained loose cannon cop to me.
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Think more deeply, Jake...
Here's a summary of the situation when Ashli Babbitt was shot...
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AI Overview
Ashli Babbitt was shot while attempting to climb through a broken window of a barricaded door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby, a hallway directly adjacent to the House of Representatives chamber. She was in the immediate vicinity of the House Chamber at the moment of the shooting,, having breached the final line of security, according to reports.
Location: The incident occurred in a hallway outside the Speaker's Lobby, which provides immediate access to the House of Representatives chamber.
Proximity: Reports indicate that at the time of the shooting, members of Congress were still inside the House Chamber or being evacuated from it. The area was described as being "just outside the House chamber" and "just yards" from where some lawmakers were located, according to video analysis and witnesses.
The Shooting: Babbitt was shot in the left shoulder by a U.S. Capitol Police officer while attempting to climb through the broken glass of a door that had been barricaded with furniture.
She was part of a mob that had forced its way through the Capitol building towards the House chamber during the Joint Session on January 6, 2021.
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Now, look at a video of the shooting...how many Cops do you see in the hallway?...how many violent rioters were there?...what would you have done to protect the Congressmen and women who were just "yards" away from that doorway?
No deep thinking there. Just simple partisanship. Too bad life ain’t that simple.
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There's a significant segment of the population that is 'mis-firing' when it comes to rational
decision making. I'd support a billion, or so, spent to understand the root causes for this...and then come up with strategies/programs to deal with the findings. The sooner, the better. btw, the task should be bipartisan funded...we still need to serve the "Naturally Occurring" Conservatives and Liberals of this country ;-).
P.S....for your benefit, in case you haven't heard...Baron is an OB/GYN...very few specialties deliver 1,000+ babies, as he attested to in a prior post. He still hasn't said where he went to Med School.
Harmless chicks don’t storm Capitols.
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Babbitt fought so others may live free. Dems fight to free murderers so that others may die
Her tactics may have been questionable or even ill-conceived, but it seems her stance is more pro-life than the Dem alternative.
The truth is Donald Trump is the only elected leader who requested additional troops be available on January 6th, and Nanci Pelosi even admits she herself failed to protect the Capitol. No matter how many times they repeat the lie it does not change the fact that if everyone had listed to Donal Trump the tragedies of January 6th would never have happened.
Let me let everyone in on a well-known secret, Liz Cheney is not Donald Trump’s best friend. In the summary of the January 6th Committee findings led by Liz Cheney’s team, even this staunch Donald Trump “ally”, after all of the production and Hollywood theatrics, could not get away from the fact that Donald Trump did in fact request additional troops.
Keep in mind, when you read the report, they do go to great pains to mock Donald Trump by saying he did not actually request that the Capitol be protected. They mock him and say he only wanted thousands of troops on hand to protect and surround himself and his supporters because he wanted to be amongst the crowd walking with them.
This is Donald Trump’s greatest sin, they passionately hate the fact that Donald Trump actually enjoys being amongst the people and they desire nothing more than to punish him for it, and they will punish us all—severely—for electing him if they ever regain power.
They have zero respect for the American public. They actually think that we will fall for a hoax that Trump was planning to incite a riot when they themselves had no choice but to conclude he requested thousands of troops. Whether he requested the troops surround his supporters or the Capitol it would make no difference to anyone with common sense, but they actually count on their supporters to believe anything.
Can you imagine someone trying to rob a jewelry store with a bunch of thugs but requesting they be surrounded by a thousand cops just before the robbery? Democrats believe that is proof he wanted to make the robbery EASIER because he should have requested thousands of cops to surround the jewelry store instead. Yet we all know it is the Democrats themselves who decided to send no cops at all.
Yet their constituency still believes the hoaxes.
The truth is that Trump sat and watched the riot on his TV doing nothing to stop it, in spite of
pleadings from his own family members to say something to stop it...he just sat there, tuning them out. Also, wrt Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House has no authority to mobilize troops...she was expressing regret for not raising her voice prior to Jan. 6th calling for troops that she suspected would be needed...she was right and expressed remorse for not doing so.
You need to accept that Trump lost the 2020 election...his own AG, Bill Barr...his Campaign Manager...his White House Counsel...and Mitch McConnell (no Dem Lover), among many other Republicans...told him he lost..freely and fairly...but the Malignant Narcissist would not accept the American people's decision, and chose to pursue an insurrection to stay in power. Evidence of this pre-meditated crime is supported by communications on Jan. 5th between Trump, his CoS, Mark Meadows, and a Willard Hotel "War Room" full of 'Fake Elector Scheme' architects, Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone, and leaders of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who would later be convicted of "Seditious Conspiracy"...BTW, here is more information on that War Room...watch it and then ask yourself what benign purpose could such a gathering...and collaboration...possibly be for?
Truth is they—even Pelosi—can’t dispute January 6th wouldn’t have happened if they listened to Trump
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You're not listening/reading/researching...Trump LIED about the election being stolen...he CREATED
the attack on the Capitol. Nothing you said was true.
As with all MAGAs, you ignore the reality of the Willard Hotel "War Room"...which proves what I just told you.
Unfortunately, for you, we can all research the words Trump’s opposition chose to PUT IN WRITING
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Explain the purpose of the Willard Hotel War Room,..
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Explain why Trump requests soldiers for protection to supposedly make it easier to overthrow Capitol
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According to the House Investigation of the Jan. 6th Attack, it was Pence who called for the DCNG,
not Trump...see Wiki Summary and its References, attached.
Now...since I asked first...explain why Trump and Mark Meadows were communicating with a Willard Hotel "War Room", populated with people who would later be convicted of "Seditious Conspiracy"...
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
Wow! Guess what? Wikipedia is not the only source. Here is something from the Committee itself.
The fact that Trump requested troops is not even debatable.
Below are excerpts from the article written by Tom Joscelyn. Notice that Joscelyn tried to obscure the fact that Trump requested troops by saying he did not give an order, but even Joscelyn and that Committee—a Committee that is completely slanted against Trump—couldn’t get around the fact that Trump wanted troops even if he deferred to others who talked him out of it. If troops were there, January 6th would not have happened.
We found out later that Nancy Pelosi admitted she herself was responsible for the failure.
Here is what the article and the drafter of the report said:
“[Full disclosure: The author [Tom Joscelyn] served as a senior professional staff member on the January 6th Committee. In that capacity, he worked with former Rep. Liz Cheney, whom he has known for more than two decades and continues to advise. In addition, the author was a PRINCIPAL DRAFTER of the COMMITTEE’S FINAL REPORT.
In its final report, the committee summarized the testimony of witnesses who claimed that Trump had floated the idea of deploying 10,000 National Guardsmen — mainly to protect him and his supporters as they marched together to the U.S. Capitol. While Trump wanted to “walk with the people,” he did not end up doing so. And, as the committee explained in the executive summary to its final report, the investigation uncovered “no evidence” that “President Trump gave an order to have 10,000 troops ready for January 6th.”
Ornato testified…pp. 61-62…I think we talked last time about the National Guard and what I recall on that. And that was, the Chief of Staff [Meadows] had a phone call with the D.C. Mayor, and was talking to her about this.
… the January 6th Committee’s final report cited testimony that Trump suggested 10,000 National Guardsmen may be needed to protect him and his supporters – not the U.S. Capitol….
President Trump wanted to personally accompany his supporters on the march from the Ellipse to the U.S. Capitol. During a January 4th meeting with staffers and event organizer Katrina Pierson, President Trump emphasized his desire to march with his supporters. “Well, I should walk with the people,” Pierson recalled President Trump saying….
The President’s advisors tried to talk him out of it. White House Senior Advisor Max Miller “shot it down immediately” because of concerns about the President’s safety.]”
And yet all evidence shows the opposite.
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Jim, the board jester.
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Truth hurts, eh neddie? Facts are stubborn no matter how
much you use alternate facts.
You have a superpower in reversing facts, thereby demonstrating that vigilance for truth is required
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Pope Leo calls out hypocrisy, saying 'inhuman treatment of immigrants' isn't 'pro-life', well before
the Minnesota homicides ICE perpetrated.
Link: https://www.upworthy.com/pope-leo-immigration
Are you pro-life?
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Do not divert. 7 armed, masked men held one nurse down and shot him 10 times. Explain.
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Divert? You posted about pro-life, & now you are embarrassed that it is obvious you aren't pro-life.
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More than you, Ned...let's continue that discussion.
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We all know you are lying. You support abortion in every case.
Im sure the Board is tiring of your non-discussion discussion technique. If you would stop misrepresenting the position of the Church as a premise for your arguments, I would be happy to not talk to you about this.
I...and the majority of Americans...and Catholics...and the American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists ALL AGREE that the Option of Abortion needs to be legal and available for all women in America. I'm quite secure in my position, and I'm just trying to help you and other "Pro-Lifers' see the right path to Reducing Abortions...which will always be with us, one way or another...due primarily to faults in human nature that produce Forced or Coerced Pregnancies.
You, on the other hand currently don't agree with that majority...the only question is how extreme your minority position is...and what is it going to take for you to find the right path. I'm here to help you.
Catholic Catechism 2270: "Human life must be...protected absolutely from the moment of conception."
Again, please stop misrepresenting the teachings of the Church. The Church is not a democracy. Cite doctrine; don't cite beliefs of cafeteria or fallen away Catholics.
If you aren't Catholic, then you be you. But stop pretending to be Catholic while leading people away from the Church.
If you want to have a non-Catholic discussion regarding abortion, I'm game. I happen to think that you can logically condemn abortion without resorting to religious belief, just like you can logically condemn any type of murder without resorting to religious belief.
Yes...Tyrone wants the Catholic Church governed by a Quinnipiac Poll. Party over...everything
...including religion.
Hey, it matters when only 11% of Catholics think Abortion should be illegal under any conditions. It
also matters when the Vatican hears millions of Brazilians being outraged over a Bishop's Excommunication of all persons involved in an abortion for a 9 yr old girl impregnated by a relative...and rescinds that Bishop's decision...then later empowers ALL RCC priests throughout the world to Absolve women who choose to get an abortion if they simply go to Confession/Reconciliation.
How about you?...I've asked several times on this Forum..."While a Woman CAN Reproduce...MUST She do so (with the force of government behind that decision) even if the Pregnancy was Totally Unwanted, and Forced or Coerced on her?
We can carry on after your response, which should be easy for you.
The RCC Catechism is a summary of Catholic Church Doctrine...see Paragraph 2309, dealing with
"Just Wars"...
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2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. the gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
- there must be serious prospects of success;
- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. the power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.
These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.
The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.
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Just as nations illegally attacked by an aggressor have the right to use lethal means to stop the threats of harm to their physical, mental and free lives...so too must women be able to terminate totally unwanted pregnancies that were forced or coerced on them if they perceive the physical, mental/emotional and freedom denying threats that could impact them for the rest of their lives to be too great a burden.
The fact that Pope Francis made sure that any priest in the RCC could absolve all those involved in a chosen abortion...and not excommunicate them for doing so...plus stating the fact that the "Personhood" of a fetus is debated...leads one to use "Prudential Judgement" that if 'certain conditions' are met, then an abortion could be accepted, just as in the taking of many lives in a Just War.
We can...and should discuss this more...much more. I'm certainly willing...
btw, I don't question your faith...just your interpretation...let's keep that in mind. Believe it or not, we're after the same goal.
Ned's TED talk "The use of pretzel logic to justify anything Trump does" is highlighted below.
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Are you pro-life?
I wouldn't be bothering to ask this of you if I didn't sense your discomfort on this topic, and if you didn't bring up pro-life and pro-Catholicism arguments in order to undermine the teaching of the Church.
Since you have trouble answering this simple question, it seems that you are not pro-life. I mean, you could just answer honestly, and we could have an honest discussion, but that would undermine many of the posts you have already made here.
Are you willing to start over?
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