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For a guy who doesn't follow the full teachings of the Church, you sure do like to use statements from bishops as a political club...when those statements match up with your politics. Seems like your Party comes before your Church for you. Am I wrong?

[The statement from the bishops seems pretty non-controversial, by the way. It does recognize the responsibility of nations to have regulated borders and a legal immigration system. It condemns the trafficking of humans, as was done before Trump came to office.]

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I guess I can see how a person like you, who puts more worth in his Party and its leaders than in the Church, might think someone must idolize one or the other of 2 POTUS candidates. But, it might interest to know that you can dislike both and idolize neither, and you can therefore vote against one as the greater of 2 evils. You should try it some time. You need not idolize political leaders.

...you just indicted yourself for "Picking and Choosing", Ned...and I'd add, for 'Mis-Led Pride', and 'Usurping Authority' with you judgement of others.

"We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation."

certainly don't have one now, what with all to ignored court orders ...an absence of "Due Process"...'Profiling"...etc, etc.

You have a nasty habit of leaving out, or overlooking the fundamental issues, Ned...why is that?

Let me know when you want to install a Catholic Theocracy in place of our Constitutional Republic.

I disagree, by the way. I don't think Catholic Doctrine is so precise as to dictate the DNC's plans for immigration to preserve blue seats in the House.

agree with them...here's more from their statement...

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As pastors, we the bishops of the United States are bound to our people by ties of communion and compassion in Our Lord Jesus Christ. We are disturbed when we see among our people a climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants. We are concerned about the conditions in detention centers and the lack of access to pastoral care. We lament that some immigrants in the United States have arbitrarily lost their legal status. We are troubled by threats against the sanctity of houses of worship and the special nature of hospitals and schools. We are grieved when we meet parents who fear being detained when taking their children to school and when we try to console family members who have already been separated from their loved ones.

Despite obstacles and prejudices, generations of immigrants have made enormous contributions to the well-being of our nation. We as Catholic bishops love our country and pray for its peace and prosperity. For this very reason, we feel compelled now in this environment to raise our voices in defense of God-given human dignity.

Catholic teaching exhorts nations to recognize the fundamental dignity of all persons, including immigrants. We bishops advocate for a meaningful reform of our nation’s immigration laws and procedures. Human dignity and national security are not in conflict. Both are possible if people of good will work together.

We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks.

The Church’s teaching rests on the foundational concern for the human person, as created in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:27). As pastors, we look to Sacred Scripture and the example of the Lord Himself, where we find the wisdom of God’s compassion. The priority of the Lord, as the Prophets remind us, is for those who are most vulnerable: the widow, the orphan, the poor, and the stranger (Zechariah 7:10). In the Lord Jesus, we see the One who became poor for our sake (2 Corinthians 8:9), we see the Good Samaritan who lifts us from the dust (Luke 10:30–37), and we see the One who is found in the least of these (Matthew 25). The Church’s concern for neighbor and our concern here for immigrants is a response to the Lord’s command to love as He has loved us (John 13:34).

To our immigrant brothers and sisters, we stand with you in your suffering, since, when one member suffers, all suffer (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:26). You are not alone!

We note with gratitude that so many of our clergy, consecrated religious, and lay faithful already accompany and assist immigrants in meeting their basic human needs. We urge all people of good will to continue and expand such efforts.

We oppose the indiscriminate mass deportation of people. We pray for an end to dehumanizing rhetoric and violence, whether directed at immigrants or at law enforcement. We pray that the Lord may guide the leaders of our nation, and we are grateful for past and present opportunities to dialogue with public and elected officials. In this dialogue, we will continue to advocate for meaningful immigration reform.
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i.e. Trump's administration is essentially lawless...immigrants are being denied Due Process...numerous Federal orders are being ignored...and even U.S. citizens are being detained...even killed...for no good reason...therefore it is not a just and orderly immigration system...agreed?


Speaking of Catholic Doctrine...do you now understand that Paragraph 2309 "Just Wars" is a part of Catholic Doctrine...including the "Prudential Judgement" process for making the moral decision to justify killing others?...I'll come back to that later.

You make no sense with your indictment statement, especially when you are the one who elevates included non-mandatory belief to doctrine when the former matches the DNC platform, and ignores mandatory doctrine by citing compliance polls when doctrine disagrees with the DNC.

I can see now that you have decided on a strategy to discredit me: Accuse me of that which you do.

getting too involved in politics in 2021..so it isn't just me ;-)

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