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It’s everybody else’s fault! Signed the board leftists.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 5:45 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!

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Biden ignored IC & actually moved UP date of withdrawal-he"didn't want to hear about it,just do it"

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:43 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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...he either knew he wasn't ready and didn't care how many it would hurt, or he thought he was ready to go and didn't believe his own IC.

Either way, the libs here just can't spin that onto Trump.


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They adore communism. They fancy themselves as elite bureaucrats.

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:42 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Does anyone honestly believe Biden would have gotten a vaccine developed so efficiently &quickly?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:05 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Not a chance.

The Libs would be saying even now, “This is what vaccine production looks like” as we remained shut down even now.


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Then tell us why President Warp Speed did not complete the Afghan withdrawal by DEC 2020.

Author: conorlarkin (21017 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:04 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Mr. Closer cut the peace deal with the Taliban in February 2020, — 11 months prior to the January 2021 inauguration.

Highly doubtful that Trump was worried about COVID restrictions at the Kabul airport.

We all remember Trump’s urgency in pushing for emergency FDA approval of a vaccine prior to the November 2020 election. Trump was able to seat Justice Barrett in “a New York minute.”

Tell us about all the Afghan helper bees who were delivered to the United States in 2020. Tell us all about the US equipment, armor, weapons, planes, vehicles, etc that were destroyed in 2020 … you know, in case the Afghan military folded.

Trump was too chickensit to pull the withdrawal trigger on his watch.

It took a real President to cross the line of departure.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Because a complete withdrawal plan hadn't been completed, of course. The same reason Biden ignored.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:19 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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I am sure Trump figured that any half competent idiot could draw up and complete a plan in 10 months (Nov election to 9/11/21), and if other facotrs prevented readiness, he would have been a good leader and delayed it....you know, like a good president does.

I'm also rather certain that Trump and his admin wouldn't move up the date when he wasn't ready like Biden did.

There is a reason that Great Britain held a US president (Joe Biden) in contempt for the first time in the long histories of our countries.


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Acknowledge that Trump cut an unreasonable deal with the Taliban.

Author: conorlarkin (21017 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:28 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Acknowledge that Trump’s failure to conduct a meaningful transition hampered the Biden Administration’s to grab the baton in our exit from Afghanistan.

Then you can criticize Biden’s execution of the withdrawal.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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So you think Trump's own timeline wasn't achievable by Biden-thus my comment about the vaccine.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:39 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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It was plenty of time. In fact, Biden felt he was so ready that he moved up the deadline by weeks. What happened was that he was unprepared and disorganized and the plan was incompetent.

DT and JB both wanted to withdraw fron Afgh, and the deal was fine. If he was struggling to be ready on time....change the date - you control the WH and both Houses of Congress.

BUT BIDEN DID THINK HE WAS READY - HE MOVED UP THE DATE!!!!!!
He also ignored the warnings from IC as we have come to learn.

A leader doesn't point fingers. Grow a spine. Own your vote.


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So you concede that Trump fucked the dog for 11 months, correct?

Author: conorlarkin (21017 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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If you want to be objective about our exit from Afghanistan, you can’t skip over Trump’s February 2020 peace deal with the Taliban, or skip over Trump’s management of the withdrawal from FEB 2020 — JAN 2021.

It is fair to criticize Biden for his management of the withdrawal beginning on Inauguration Day. But, for whatever reason, you want to play etch a sketch and pretend Trump wasn’t the Commander in Chief for 4 years, and had 11 months to manage the Afghan withdrawal after cutting a deal with Mr Taliban.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Nope. By moving up date&failing, Biden showed he was never going to be ready….

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:30 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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…sadly, the Taliban easily saw the weakness of Biden and jumped all over it.

Stop pointing fingers while pretending to not do so.
Trump handled Syria mess from Obama. He handled the N Korea mess as well as others. Ongoing issues always occur.
This was a simple withdrawal. Biden’s IC saw the growing boldness of the Taliban and warned him. He ignored it and actually moved the timeline up.
You controlled the WH, the Senate, and the House. We have been there 19 yrs already. Just change the timeline if Biden can’t keep up with Trump’s own timeline for what he felt he needed for himself.
Trump gave us a new, effective COVID vaccine in 8 months for 400 million people while Biden couldn’t even makes VISAs for 15 thousand.

Own your vote.


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Not at all relevant, you are an embarrassment.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 10:11 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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Fact: Pfizer did not accept federal funding to help develop or manufacture it's Covid vaccine.

Author: ND521 (9413 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 9:03 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Biden regime is an utter disaster

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Pfizer did not get R&D money from Warp Speed. They did, however, get a $1.95 billion advance

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33498 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:07 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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purchase agreement.

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That wasn’t mentioned in the Left wing fact check that pops first on Google.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:43 am on Aug 23, 2021
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True, while 6 different companies did including Moderna. Trump led in diverse ways

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:26 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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including primarliy the removal of regulations which would have stifled efforts.

Btw, Biden proposed removing the patent from Pfizer for the vaccine which would be about the last possible thing to do when leading to a better response (he later was forced to withdraw the idea after reality set in).

The difference in leadership is staggering.


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LOL...I've shown you more than once how Dr. Fauci got Moderna's mRNA-1273 vaccine formulation into

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:58 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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NIAID's Phase 1 testing the very day it was completed...which was 2 days after China released COVID-19's genetic sequence...that had ZIPPO involvement from Trump or any of his minions.

All Trump had to do was sign his name to the production authorization when Fauci's accelerated testing was completed and signed off by the FDA...oh, and Pfizer's vaccine was independently funded and raced through to production readiness.

Good grief, you are truly shameless...and quite possibly clueless...just like Trump himself.


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How fast did vaccines get approved under Fauci's watch in his previous 30 years?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Yeah, I know.

And under whose leadership and direction was he acting? And who was responsible for removing the red tape? And who harnassed and unleashed the private sector to get it done?
It was the leadership of President Trump that made Operation Warp Speed the massive success that it was.

The major undertaking of President Biden is the Afghanistan Withdrawal.
Yeah, I know.

And note that I specifically call him "Fauci", because he is most certainly a self serving administrator before he is a doctor anymore. He doesn't deserve the honor of that title.


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Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 10:10 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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Way to move the goal posts, kiddo...from January, 2020 all the way back to 1990!...

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:40 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Fortunately, enough posting has gone on about this already, plus Trump...all by himself...with his "Chlorox & UV light" debacle, has shown the world that he's no "genius" when it comes to leading anything more complex than a horse to water...so I'm not at all concerned with your protestations to the contrary.

What is perplexing though, is your continued support for that despicable person...what makes you do this could be the subject of a very interesting sociological study...by someone with the stomach for it.


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^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

Author: Quest4twelve (6684 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 1:39 pm on Aug 23, 2021
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What is perplexing though, is your continued support for that despicable person...what makes you do this could be the subject of a very interesting sociological study...by someone with the stomach for it.

Although that goes for Baron and many others.


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"kiddo" Your tactics reveal your weakness.

Author: NedoftheHill (44682 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:50 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The Babe used to call his caddies “kiddo”

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:01 am on Aug 23, 2021
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You gave Fauci credit for something far beyond his scope in effort to bolster JB by diminishing DT

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:46 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Because it is really obvious to all that Biden is an inadequate leader, and we are really lucky that he wasn't president when we needed a good vaccine fast.

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Fauci doesn’t approve vaccines. Also he doesn’t run the CDC or NIH.

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:36 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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For someone who is such an expert on Fauci, you have surprisingly little idea what about he does.

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Why is nutty Tyrone giving him all the credit?

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 9:59 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
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You edited it. But also it didn’t happen “on his watch.”

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:39 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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There you go! Fauci isn't in charge of that which means Ty shouldn't be crediting him for it. And..

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:48 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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whatever roles Fauci does have have been going on for 3 plus decades previously without the kind of effective response there was here.

It was under Trump's leadership and direction that this happened. You might give pence the credit, but again who directed Pence.

Let's compare the major organizational challenges of each president:
Trump - vaccine procurement
Biden - Afghanistan Withdrawal.


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P.S. Chris, I am well aware of Fauci's position & it's role. After Ty ascribed him credit instead of

Author: BaronVonZemo (59965 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:34 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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the president at the time, I wanted him to explain why such approvals had never gone so quickly in all of the past years for Fauci. The only defense is to say that Fauci doesn't have that power which is a self rebuttal to his initial claim. But you answered it first.
I edited to put in "on his watch" because I knew that if I left it as just "under Fauci", Ty would use the opportunity to go down the literal path rather than getting to the point.


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Don't go putting words in my mouth, Baron...I specifically pointed out that because of Dr. Fauci's

Author: TyroneIrish (20461 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:38 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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outstanding knowledge of infectious diseases, vaccines and the emerging mRNA technology, plus his constant contact with new biotech firms, like Moderna...he was able to immediately get their new formulation into trials just two days after China released the genetic sequence to the world...faster than you can say "hydroxychloroquine"...he is a man of intellect...and ACTION!...action that got those vaccines tested and proven at "Warp Speed"...it had nothing at all to do with Donald Trump...he only signed the necessary production paper work when he was told to do so....end of story on that.

I never once even dreamed of saying that Dr. Fauci gave final approval for any vaccine...that's all in your head...

Why you never post the things you say you know...before the fact...instead of when you're corrected...is just another one of your perplexing traits.


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Pot/Kettle moment/ Putting words in people's mouths is your stock-in-trade...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33498 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:52 am on Aug 23, 2021
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Then there is this

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 7:01 pm on Aug 22, 2021
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In keeping with the FUBAR dynamic… a deeper, perhaps more concerning, picture is emerging. The Pentagon held a press briefing today with Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby and Maj. General Hank Taylor. After initial comments, the first question was about the State Department telling Americans not to attempt to come to the airport. Kirby and Taylor did not know about it.

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