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“Georgetown West”
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Jesus taught us to love. Why do MAGAs almost always choose hate & discrimination?
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You have no love for the unborn innocent little ones.
When bringing up the name of Jesus , make sure it's not in the name of the murder of the Holy Innocents.
Seems a new tactic on his & Tyrone's part...
They are going with the "if you are religious, you have to be a Democrst" argument, which is obviously preposterous.
According to them, religious people support abortion, and support anarchy (no borders, no enforcement of democratically passed laws, defunding of police) and oppose science.
They are trying to use religion as a club to beat people into submission / to try to shame people to support their political party. Surely they have to see how insane that is ... how it is opposite reality and common sense ... and yet they do not.
Stop spreading false rumors...just ask me point blank...and respond point blank to my answers...
You waste a lot of time.
Ha! Let's see if you can do it...
Do you agree that Pope Francis believed, and Church Doctrine states, that human life must be protected from the moment of conception, and every procured abortion is a grave moral evil?
I don't intend to start another discussion on abortion, but if you can give the correct yes
/no answer, we might be able to talk about it. I just want to see if you can tell the truth.
If you require a link for everyone to read, or feel you have to qualify your statement, or require me to answer a question first, then we will know you cannot respond "point blank."
Nothing in your comment text is true. Or even close.
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And yet you seek to make my "comment text" true with your posts.
Why?
Let's hear it for litmuses tests
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She doesn’t look Asian, is she transitioning?
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Not sure that the director of an Asian Studies center is worth all this angst
Love Fr. Miscamble. But he is blowing this out of proportion.
But that happens to the abortion monomaniacs.
Another Observer article. If I were a betting man, I’d say she’s toast.
I don’t think it’s her body of work that will get her so much as her rhetoric around abortion.
Susan Ostermann has been a well respected professor at ND since 2017...she was given that leadership
position in recognition for her outstanding work. The paper she co-authored dealt with misinformation regarding abortion, especially in the early phases of pregnancy. Given that Pope Francis noted 'Fetal Personhood' was "Debated" within the RCC...and that the Magisterium has never taught that Personhood begins at conception, it is only right for a Catholic "University" to participate in that debate, with all sides being heard...and not just that of the extreme conservative side.
Let's join that "Debate" here on the UHND Open Forum...in a scholarly way.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ZYGOTES?!?!
Who will protect the little collections of cells from the opinions of the director of an Asian Studies Center???
Lying again about Personhoodgate, I see
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He actually said the issue was/is debated…no lie.
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He recognized fact that people like you debate legal personhood & said the debate is irrelevant.
Human life of the unborn, regardless of legal personhood, must be protected from the moment of conception. I'm not making a personal argument here. I am simply stating the position of the Church and of Pope Francis, which you seek to deny the truth of.
If you want to argue for abortion, then do so. But, stop lying about the position of the Catholic Church to support your argument.
I’m sure she’s respected in her field but the disparaging comments will kill her
I understand that ND wants to be a respected institution regardless of religion, but this will be the ongoing tension. She’ll lose this one.
Her history was well known prior to her selection…why should this be a problem?
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Pope Francis opposes ALL abortion. You're lying again.
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What then is the purpose of Francis mentioning the Debate over fetal Personhood?...he could have
said Personhood begins at conception...and if the killing of actual Persons is allowed in 'Just War' situations...why is it not allowed for 'Debated Persons' to be aborted, under certain circumstances?
He said regardless of the outcome of that debate, abortion is morally wrong.
He was saying people like you exist, and even if we accept your arguments, it changes nothing. If you truly heard that the Church is open to the debate to decide an otherwise undecided issue, you are either ignorant or deceitful. I think it is obvious to everyone in the Open that you are now being deceitful.
It would be laughable that you believe Francis thought abortion was morally allowed, if it weren't so evil, in the theological sense, for you to say that.
In the secular sense, you are just lying. You are making a political argument and dressing it up as a theological argument to lead people like 521 away from the Church.
Under certain conditions, RCC Doctrine allows for Killing others (see Catechism Par. 2309)...why not
Abortion under the same process of "Prudential Judgement"?...the very words used in the Catechism...after all, "Killing" other Persons is always just as morally wrong.
Where is the justice for women who are victimized by forced or coerced pregnancies they never wanted?...pregnancies that can physically and mentally cause them great harm for the rest of their lives...even take their lives...not unlike the victims of aggression by another nation...who do have recourse through Just Wars.
Sadly, 'Pro-Lifers' never address that issue....thus denying all women the right to their own reproductive decisions. This is wrong, and I sense the 'PLs' know this, which explains their silence...not sure why...perhaps you can explain.
There is a moral solution here...let's keep that in mind.
“Doctors who do this are – allow me the word – hitmen. They are hitmen”. Pope Francis added…
“And on this you cannot argue. You are killing a human life".
Pope Francis expressed this on more than one occasion.
Ignoring this context while contorting the phrase “it is debated” represents deliberate and calculated misrepresentation.
It is deliberate to an end…and is despicable.
One is certainly entitled to their own views on abortion. Attempting to twist the views of another is the hallmark of a cowardly propagandist.
In the case of 'Just Wars', soldiers of the attacked nation are allowed to become "Hitmen"...under
certain conditions that are justified after "Prudential Judgement" is applied. How do Innocent Women find Justice after being Forced or Coerced into pregnancies they never wanted which will impact their physical/mental health and freedom for the rest of their lives? Just because a woman CAN reproduce...MUST she do so under any and all circumstances?
Let us know if the University invites Trump or Vance as a commencement speaker.
That would be a cause for genuine concern.
No Trump. Thank you Fr John!
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How much funding will she bring to ND?
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$8
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Miscamble opinion
Well said by Fr. Miscamble.
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Another Fr Ted hater. Like you.
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Based on Miscamble's 'hatchet job' of a book on Fr. Ted, I'd say he has a jaundiced view of our
renowned University...and the people who made it so.
Not "our."
You have no connection.
That would make you a certified Liar…just so you know
btw, are you an alum?…if so what college?
She’ll get bounced following parental & donor pressure.
I actually don’t mind her having done research on and having an opinion on abortion, but the comments indirect opposition to and criticizing Catholicism should get her bounced.
My daughter is a freshman at ND who attended Catholic school coming up and she said that the humanities teachers and particularly anthropology and psych are pretty crazy woke.
We can only hope.
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