Just the facts folks, just the facts. I haven't seen any published opinions referring to this war.
The Iranians suffered approximately 200,000 battle deaths during the eight years of the Iran Iraq War without quitting. It took the combined shock of the USS VINCENNES shooting down an Iranian airliner and Iraq's massive use of nerve agents to retake the al-Faw Peninsula that convinced the Ayatollah Khomeini to agree to a cease fire, and only he had the moral authority to call a halt to the bloodshed, which however also left his regime intact.
This is probably a good indicator for the short term.
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Unpossible. We know Iraq had no WMDs.
You make a good point.
If the people of Iran don't step up, we may be, and probably should be, in this for the long haul.
We won't though. An entire political party in the United States want to just trust Iran's leadership not to build nukes. So, at some point, Iran will. If we could show a little backbone for multiple consecutive administrations of both parties, Iran might think twice. For now, they are just hoping for Democrat electoral victories (and therefore time to build a nuke, and maybe even some cash from us to them to help out their autocratic regime).
Trump should declare victory and call it all off
Instead we are bringing over Marines and amphibious landing ships, in case President Fuckwit orders them to take Kharg Island.
It’s all to try to get the Iranians to open the Strait.
From their perspective, if they do that, then these attacks are likely to happen again. They are thinking about deterring the next war by making the West pay.
Tactical victory, strategic disaster.
I tend to agree at this point, since the stated objective has now been achieved, and it has been a
victory for world stability and peace. (I’d like to point out that we now know that Iran already had cells in the US with military drone tech - see Cali story, and they were clearly at near-weapons grade nuclear material). They had plans for us and Israel. They were given the means to finance their projects while lying to stall, and they used our open border to bring in methods of conveyance.
If there is reason for specific concern that the public is unaware of at this point, it should be shared before getting into a prolonged, and likely unwinnable situation that would result in unnecessary bloodshed.
It is this same reason that should push us to get out of the Ukrainian War with measures to prevent further incursion by Putin. Persisting in an unwinnable situation is senseless.
None of us have the insider info that those in the War Room have.
We are on the outside looking in, depending on news coverage (most of it sketchy news coverage) to form our opinions. Sort of what we do when we second guess our coaching staff's decisions in real time. At least that's my take on it. I do know the more the anti-Trumpers criticize and push for an end, the larger the red flag gets.
Trump lacks the legal authority to go to war unless “none of us” approves.
Only Congress (“none of us”) can authorize the use of military power of this magnitude.
For good reason.
You keep skipping over this threshold issue.
And Obama? Did none of us give him the legal authority? You keep skipping over that part.
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Shhhhhh…every MAGA dolt skips over those pesky facts
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Another pesky fact: Conor says the opposite when Dems in charge.
I'd be happy to have an objective, fair approach to this, but that is not what conor wants.
What is the “Cali story?” And we’re not in the Ukraine war…
We have given them support, but that’s hardly being “in” the war.
I would love to know your take on the “stated objective(s)” of this conflict. Seems we’re getting mixed signals from Hegseth by way of the orange douche.
“since the stated objective has now been achieved” —regime change? unconditional surrender?
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Defang the viper. Fringe benefits are always accepted, but not worthy of prolonged conflict in and
of themselves.
Trump told us last year that Iran's nuclear program was "obliterated." Was he lying?
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Brilliant - suddenly war/invasion okay if trump and Putin do it.
Actually for you and the other MAGAcult-nutties what ever orange douchebag does to escape Epstein scandal is the way to go.
No criticism allowed!
That is really impressive
You managed to polish this turd of a war and blame Democrats in the same post.
The best-case scenario now is that Trump declares victory and leaves the regime in place. We blasted the shit out of their capabilities, and it will take a long time for them to recover. But they will - with Russia’s help - and we’ll be facing the same problem in a year or two.
Then again, if Iran doesn’t let ships sail through the strait, the world will tumble into recession. But you’ll blame Obama, so don’t worry!
And that is just the best case scenario. It can always get worse.
It won't be a problem again unless they believe we don't maintain our resolve to act again.
We are in agreement that the goal has been reached as best as it can be.....Iran has lost it's nuclear threat capabilities and they will need to start all over to try to obtain them again.
As long as they understand and believe that there is a hammer waiting, they will behave. And we will undoubtedly have to pound again when they try to build again to make the point as our nation's messaging has not been consistent over the past decade and a half..
But if we make more pallets of cash available to them, or if a US political party decides to side with them over their own country and sends the wrong message, then the Iranians will think that they can get away with things when that party gets in power, and we will have the same cycle repeat itself all over again (and it will be accelerated if appeasement is used again as it was last time).
It is really up to the Democrat Party down the road. Schizophrenic IR will lead to further problems.
You are having a hard time imagining yourself in their shoes
If your country took a humiliating, deadly pounding, you would not “behave” from then on. That’s just not how international politics works.
They are going to rebuild. Smarter than we think. And they are going to seek ways to hurt us like we’ve hurt them.
This was such an amazingly bad decision. The ramifications are just beginning.
There are many more who are experienced at this who disagree. When they talk, I'll listen.
I won't listen to war experts hanging out on a message board. Truth be told, you all bring in way too much TDS into the argument.
Yet you continue to pollute the board with your MAGA stupidity. Oh the irony
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Looking forward to Iran dictating terms to President TACO.
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Love all the deep thinkers & experts at war chiming in.
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Who's in charge of Iran and its military now? Who one single person has the authority to surrender?
No one is in charge. Just commanders who are trying to make a name for themselves of fragmented groups. Am I wrong?
In America, when the Supreme Leader is in a coma…the Easter Bunny customarily steps in…
Probably not in an Islamic nation though…
Did you run this by Corn Pop?
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