Menu
UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting

UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting

ADVERTISEMENT
UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting
  • Football
    • 2025 Notre Dame Football Schedule
    • 2024 Notre Dame Roster
    • 2025 Notre Dame Coaching Staff
    • Injury News & Updates
    • Notre Dame Football Depth Charts
    • Notre Dame Point Spreads & Betting Odds
    • Notre Dame Transfers
    • NFL Fighting Irish
    • Game Archive
    • Player Archive
    • Past Seasons & Results
  • Recruiting
    • Commits
    • News & Rumors
    • Class of 2018 Commit List
    • Class of 2019 Commit List
    • Class of 2020 Commit List
    • Class of 2021 Commit List
    • Archives
  • History
    • Notre Dame Bowl History
    • Notre Dame NFL Draft History
    • Notre Dame Football ESPN GameDay History
    • Notre Dame Heisman Trophy Winners
    • Notre Dame Football National Championships
    • Notre Dame Football Rivalries
    • Notre Dame Stadium
    • Touchdown Jesus
  • Basketball
  • Forums
    • Chat Room
    • Football Forum
    • Open Forum
    • Basketball Board
    • Ticket Exchange
  • Videos
    • Notre Dame Basketball Highlights
    • Notre Dame Football Highlights
    • Notre Dame Football Recruiting Highlights
    • Notre Dame Player Highlights
    • Hype Videos
  • Latest News
  • Gear
  • About
    • Advertise With Us
    • Contact Us
    • Our RSS Feeds
    • Community Rules
    • Privacy Policy
  • RSS
  • YouTube
  • Twitter
  • Facebook
Home > Forums > The Open Forum
Login | Register
Upvote this post.
-3
Downvote this post.

Why are Trumpublicans dumbing down the Save American Act as enforcing photo ID?

Author: Quest4twelve (7471 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 5:18 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

I get most Americans don't want to dig into the granularity of the bill, but since when is proof of citizenship the same as photo ID? We have photo ID in FL and I'm 100% fine with that. Some sorta of ID should be on file or presented when voting, but proof of citizenship is downright stupid.

Replies to: Why are Trumpublicans dumbing down the Save American Act as enforcing photo ID?


Thread Level: 2

You made me look. Summary of the act within this post. Which part do you oppose?

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:31 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

The SAVE Act requires documentary proof of US citizenship to register to vote.

If a state registers voters without providing proof of citizenship, then such proof must be provided when the voter is attempting to vote in any Federal election

Special processes are set forth when documents are in error, or the prospective voter otherwise cannot provide documentation. Provisional ballots may be submitted. No fees may be charged for obtaining documents from the government.

If it is determined that a non-citizen attempts to register to vote, removal proceedings are possible. Non-citizens shall be removed from the voter rolls of eligible voters. Criminal penalties may apply to a person assisting non-citizens in registering to vote.


This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 2

It is a poll tax, designed to suppress voter turnout for folks/women who lack $$ wherewithal.

Author: conorlarkin (22404 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:27 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

Republicans fear a beating.

So they create an obstacle course, making it more cumbersome to vote, as opposed to easier (mail in voting).

They are using "non citizens" as a lame ass fabricated justification.

This bill violates the 19th Amendment.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 3

Looking forward to you explaining why women can't prove citizenship, but men can.

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:41 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 3

Has anyone seen Conor and Joy Behar in the same room?

Author: iairishcheeks (29392 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:27 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

Her testosterone level is probably higher...

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Thread Level: 4

Yuk!!! 2 dry jayjays

Author: Frankx (6258 Posts - Joined: Aug 23, 2017)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 2

Numerous studies…and the multiple hand counts of the 2020 election prove our election systems are

Author: TyroneIrish (23946 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 6:57 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

secure and reliable…Trump and the GOP don’t want to accept that voters will reject them in 2026.

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Thread Level: 2

It’s not a bill for voter ID, it’s a bill for national voter registration where

Author: jimbasil (54278 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:49 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

the federal government has every one’s information. As of now it’s a State run voter registration.


And no mail in voting.


This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 2

Is it dumbiongdown or being more careful? Do photo IDs guarantee you are a citizen? Just asking.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17913 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 6:17 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 3

Meet the SAVE Act:

Author: conorlarkin (22404 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:40 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

Excerpts from America's paper of record:

1) Its stated aim is to crack down on voter fraud, which is exceedingly rare.

Fraudulent voting by noncitizens is already illegal and extremely rare, and there is no evidence to support Mr. Trump’s charges that Democrats have tried to mobilize undocumented immigrants to sway elections in their favor.

Democrats who oppose the legislation argue that it would suppress and discourage legal voting — particularly among groups that typically support Democrats, such as naturalized citizens, people of color and lower-income people. The measure, they say, places an undue burden on eligible voters who may lack the necessary documentation to comply with the new identification requirements.

They also fear that Mr. Trump and Republicans are using the debate to sow uncertainty and distrust about the midterm elections to lay the groundwork for claiming widespread fraud should they lose, as appears increasingly likely.

But Republicans say no reasonable lawmaker should oppose taking basic steps to ensure that only citizens can vote.

2) It would stiffen voter identification requirements nationwide.

Existing law bars noncitizens from voting in elections and requires those registering to vote to prove their eligibility by presenting a driver’s license or the last four digits of their Social Security number. If registrants have neither, states are authorized to verify their eligibility another way, such as by using a federal database to verify their citizenship status. For mail-in ballots, most states verify voters’ identities by comparing their signature with the one on file from registration, or by requiring voters to include the signature of a witness.

The legislation would significantly tighten those requirements. Voters would have to prove their citizenship in person upon registering to vote. That would limit mail or online registration, and direct voters to local election offices instead. There, they would have to produce documentary proof of U.S. citizenship such as a REAL ID — a form of state identification compliant with federal regulations — that indicates American citizenship, birth certificate, passport or military identification card.

The bill would also mandate that all voters present a government-issued photo ID at polling places. Those seeking to vote by mail would have to enclose a copy of photo identification both when requesting a ballot and when returning it.

States would be required to submit their voter rolls to the Department of Homeland Security, to be cross-referenced with citizenship data and purged of those deemed ineligible to vote. And election workers who fail to properly verify an applicant’s eligibility to vote could face criminal penalties.

It would take effect this year, requiring states and local governments to institute the changes before midterm elections in which voting is already well underway.

3) Many eligible voters would not meet the requirements.

An estimated 9 percent of eligible voters, or 21.3 million Americans, either do not have documents that prove their citizenship, such as passports and birth certificates, or cannot retrieve them in a day or less, according to a study by the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement at University of Maryland and the Brennan Center for Justice. And 45 states do not issue the kind of enhanced driver’s license indicating citizenship status that would be needed to verify voting eligibility.

Citing those limitations, Democrats and election experts say that many voters would be disenfranchised by the measure. They have also raised concerns that women who change their name upon marriage and lack documents reflecting their current surnames could find it more difficult to register to vote.

In Kansas, which enacted a statewide law in 2011 requiring proof of citizenship for voter registration, the verification process rejected roughly 31,000 eligible voters, or about 12 percent of all applicants. A federal judge struck down the law in 2018.

4) States have raised concerns about their ability to comply with the measure.

The bill would mandate that states comply with new requirements within days of enactment without providing any extra funding for them. For instance, many local election offices are currently unequipped to verify citizenship status.

David Becker, the executive director for the Center for Election Innovation and Research, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization, said the new requirements would put a severe burden on underfunded local election offices to quickly devise and adopt a new verification system.

“It’s almost as if the authors of this bill invite chaos into our election process,” Mr. Becker said.

Critics also warn that many states lack the procedures or materials to properly collect copies of photo identification to accompany mail-in ballots or requests for them, which would effectively leave them with no legal way to allow mail-in voting should the legislation become law.

Mr. Trump has made clear he would like to do away with the practice and urged Republicans to include such a provision in the bill.

In a conference call over the weekend with voting rights advocates and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader, the lawyer Marc Elias said the requirement “is masquerading as photo ID” but “is really just a ban on mail-in voting.”

5) The bill comes as Trump continues to groundlessly cast doubt on elections.

Mr. Trump and right-wing activists have escalated their efforts to force through the bill as the president continues to falsely claim voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

Last month, Mr. Trump called for the Republican Party to “nationalize” voting in the United States, after the F.B.I. moved to seize ballots and other voting records from the 2020 election from an election center in Fulton County, Ga.

The search warrant for the center showed that the criminal investigation was started by a leading election denier in the Trump administration, Kurt Olsen. He played a key role in Mr. Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, including speaking to the president many times on Jan. 6, 2021.

Those opposed to the bill have warned that requiring states to turn over their voter rolls could hand the Trump administration data it could distort to claim widespread fraud, by pointing to what could be benign irregularities such as duplicate registration of a voter who moved to a different state or inconsistencies brought about by name changes.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

These people don't care about facts, never did! It's all about feelings with them.

Author: Quest4twelve (7471 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 7:59 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 5

Indeed, conor does not care about the facts of the Act, thus his post.

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

It's more about their fear and need to control.

Author: conorlarkin (22404 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:23 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

They cannot fathom being governed by a multi cultural diverse group of elected Americans -- who embody exactly who we are as a nation.

America to such posters must be governed by white men, sprinkled with some white women. They want the courts to look the same.

Trump is their avatar. They will give him a pass on pretty much anything, so long as the central theme of white power remains in tact.

The changing demographics are going to swallow them whole. The SAVE Act reflects their desperation.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 3

Another bat sh*t crazy question. Do any of you proof reason your responses?

Author: Quest4twelve (7471 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 6:34 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 2

Quick google search: at least 19 states give photo IDs to non-citizens. You ok with them voting?

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 5:26 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 3

No State just hands out photo ID’s to non-citizens.

Author: jimbasil (54278 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:52 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 4

You dare challenge the great and powerful Interne!?

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:08 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

Rhode Island does. So does Massachusetts. Try Minnesota on for size.

Author: ELP (11267 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 7:42 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

Even though Illinois does require illegals to show some type of foreign birth certificate or passport to get an ID, I'm pretty sure there just might be some kind of funny business going on in the Land of Lincoln. Those are Governor Jelly Belly's people don't you know.

Thread Level: 5

No State hands out photo ID’s to non-citizens. If you’re referring to Driver’s licenses, issued

Author: jimbasil (54278 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 8:32 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

licenses need proof of who you are and Non-citizens can receive a driver’s license once they identify who they are ad once they pass all exams for a license.

No State just hands out photo ID’s to anyone even birth citizens without that person being able to identify themselves.

If you have proof of the other, please provide it.


This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 6

How are illegals still managing to vote in state & national elections?

Author: ELP (11267 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:00 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

What so called IDs are they using to even register? Where and how did they get their IDs from? It's not a huge problem yet but it is happening.

Thread Level: 7

“Illegals” are not voting. They never were voting. It’s a myth, a R fallacy, a trump lie and you’re

Author: jimbasil (54278 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:23 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

a sucker of MAGAproportions

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
Thread Level: 3

So say that person with a photo ID goes to vote, what happens next Ned?

Author: Quest4twelve (7471 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 5:29 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Thread Level: 4

Are they registered to vote? My precinct scans my ID, and checks the voter rolls.

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 5

Now you want to ask questions after you assume? You don't see that as crazy train?

Author: Quest4twelve (7471 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 6:17 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

I work in the DMV world, no immigrant is registered the vote. Let me ask you this, is this Draconian law worth the maybe 10s of folks who may illegally vote? How do we know those 10s of people, because they are caught!!!

Thread Level: 6

.

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:30 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 6

You live Florida. Do you think all states are like Florida?

Author: NedoftheHill (46354 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)

Posted at 9:11 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

Now that you've said you are in Florida, I guess I will have to stop picturing you in the wood paneled, 1970's carpeted basement of your parents' house in South Bend, surrounded by your beer can collection.

This message has been edited 1 time(s).

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 2

The photo ID is reasonable. The Birth Certificate is insane.

Author: Chris94 (38428 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:21 pm on Mar 17, 2026
View Single

(no message)


Consent Management

Close
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • RSS