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Who needs NATO? Own it, cult.

Author: conorlarkin (22449 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:49 am on Mar 27, 2026
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Excerpts from The Atlantic:

In July 2018, NATO’s gleaming new Brussels headquarters was poised to host its first leaders’ summit. Dignitaries from around the world gathered in the arched buildings designed to look like interlocking fingers. But the Europeans throwing the party were anxious. The nominal guest of honor, President Trump, had spent months questioning the need for U.S. membership in an organization that had emerged from the ashes of World War II as a bulwark against Moscow’s aggression. He soon ruined the festivities.

During a closed-door meeting with other leaders, the president went on a tirade, berating the other nations for failing to spend the targeted 2 percent of their GDP on defense, urging better relations with Russia, and threatening to withdraw the United States from NATO if he didn’t get what he wanted. Trump eventually relented. But the very next week, he met Vladimir Putin at a summit in Helsinki and repeatedly sided with the Russian leader, who has made it his mission to undermine the alliance. Nearly eight years later, Putin may get his wish.

Trump is now demanding that NATO help the United States reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a vital passage through which 20 percent of the world’s oil travels, which Iran has effectively closed in response to the United States’ and Israel’s attacks. NATO has refused. And though Russia is playing only a tangential role in the crisis there, Moscow could emerge as one of the victors of war. The standoff over the strait has created an unexpected new strain on the relationship between Trump and NATO, one that may not fully shatter the alliance but could fundamentally weaken it.

Trump had hoped that the attack on Iran would follow the blueprint established by the raid to seize Nicolás Maduro from Venezuela, his advisers have told us: a quick strike that removes the existing leadership, allowing for the installation of a more compliant figure atop the government. Although Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead, and thousands of Iranian military targets have been battered, the hard-line regime leaders in Tehran have remained in power, firing missiles at their Persian Gulf neighbors and blocking access to the Strait of Hormuz—just as Pentagon officials and military think tanks have predicted for decades. General Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, cautioned Trump in the run-up to the invasion, but the president dismissed the warning, believing that Iran would capitulate.

He was wrong. Iran shuttered the strait. Oil prices have jumped more than 40 percent in the past month, and gas costs have soared at the pump for Americans. Any U.S. effort to reopen the waterway would carry danger. Although the Iranian navy has been crushed, it could still fill the strait’s waters with mines. Damaging an oil tanker or U.S. warship would take only a single drone—or a speedboat packed with explosives, or a rocket launched from ship or shore. If U.S. Special Forces were deployed on the ground to try to secure the strait, casualties would surely follow. So Trump instead asked other nations for help in keeping the waterway open, particularly European allies.

In recent days, a few nations have offered help: France deployed warships to the region while Britain, after initially refusing, has allowed the U.S to use its military bases. NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, who is proudly chummy with Trump, has pledged that members of the alliance would lend some form of assistance. But no one has signed up for the dangerous duty of escorting tankers through the strait. Even though Trump had not committed the U.S. Navy to doing that either, he raged against Europe’s reluctance, taking to social media last Friday to deem the other NATO members “COWARDS” and assert that “without the U.S.A., NATO IS A PAPER TIGER!” He suggested in an interview that NATO would have a “very bad” future if it did not change course. And then, this morning, Trump returned to social media to unleash an all-caps screed blasting NATO for doing “ABSOLUTELY NOTHING” to help and said that the United States will “NEVER FORGET” members’ obstinance.

Still, Trump insisted to reporters last week that pulling out of the alliance is “certainly something that we should think about.” He added: “I don’t need Congress for that decision.” Even if he doesn’t try to withdraw, he has other options. He could slash U.S. funding for NATO. He could refuse to honor the Article 5 mutual-defense pact, essentially crippling the alliance. Or he could move U.S. troops out of Europe, redeploying them to Asia or the Middle East or bringing them back home, leaving the continent with diminished defenses against a Russian menace.

Indeed, Trump has long threatened such a move. In July 2020, near the end of his first term, the Pentagon announced plans to reduce troop levels in Germany by a third. “Germany is not paying their bills,” Trump said at the time, referring to a commitment among NATO allies to spend at least 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense. The following year, the House refused to fund the withdrawal, effectively blocking it. But Trump continued to pressure NATO to stop “freeloading” and take more responsibility for Europe’s security.

The allies have tried to placate him. A few months into Trump’s second term, they agreed at a summit in The Hague to raise their defense spending to 5 percent of GDP. The pledge did not seem to change Trump’s plans. In October, the U.S. Army said that about 3,000 troops from the 101st Airborne Division would end their deployment to Romania and go home “without replacement.”

The Russians have tried to further deepen the rift. Already, they have supplied Iran with intelligence for targeting American assets in the region and have received no punishment from Washington. (Trump, in fact, continues to suggest that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is more of an impediment to peace in Europe than Putin is.) On March 11, the Kremlin envoy Kirill Dmitriev met in Florida with Trump’s old friend Steve Witkoff and his son-in-law Jared Kushner, who have become the White House’s lead negotiators for the conflict. By that point, the Iranians had blocked the Strait of Hormuz for nearly two weeks. Dmitriev offered a solution in a social-media post after the meeting: “Today, many countries, primarily the United States, are beginning to better understand the key, systemic role of Russian oil and gas in ensuring the stability of the global economy, as well as the ineffectiveness and destructive nature of sanctions against Russia.”

The following day, the United States agreed to ease some of those sanctions for 30 days, lifting restrictions on the sale of Russian oil that had been loaded on tankers. New money would flow into Russia’s war machine as it continued to wage its war against Ukraine. Pundits on Russian state TV celebrated the move as a sign of Trump’s weakened position. “The U.S. has made a concession,” Kirill Koktysh, a professor at Moscow’s main diplomatic academy, said. Moscow would be wise to take advantage of Trump’s party still being in power until the midterms, he said. “We have to get these concessions now, and not take any harsh or unequivocal conditions on ourselves.”

It was a win for Putin. He may get another, larger one soon.


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Replies to: Who needs NATO? Own it, cult.


Thread Level: 2

No such thing as a free lunch. NATO can suck it.

Author: LanceManion (10088 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 11:10 am on Mar 27, 2026
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 3

You're a cult member through and through

Author: jimbasil (54322 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:09 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Which NATO members aren't meeting their 2% spending commitment?

Author: Rooney (5981 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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Canada and Europe exist because of the U.S. - vassal states need to bend the knee. Especially Canada

Author: LanceManion (10088 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 2:16 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Uh, doesn’t the US exist because of Europe?

Author: Domer From Hell (17900 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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We're all born bald baby!
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Trump thinks NATO members pay a fee

Author: Chris94 (38494 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:40 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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He has shit for brains.

Thread Level: 2

NATO no longer shares our values. It is weak, woke and prefers massive immigration of rape gangs

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16887 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:54 am on Mar 27, 2026
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and 3rd world filth.

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NATO's values didn't change.

Author: Rooney (5981 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:24 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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^^^This^^^

Author: Domer From Hell (17900 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:01 pm on Mar 27, 2026
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We're all born bald baby!
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You prove P.T. Barnum's dictum..."There's a sucker born every minute"...DJT Himself is a Rapist and

Author: TyroneIrish (24022 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:21 am on Mar 27, 2026
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Convicted Criminal...yet you buy what he's selling without ever thinking about that reality...feel sorry for you.

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EU to Trump: Not our war

Author: ND521 (9842 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 3:32 am on Mar 27, 2026
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Rape is clearly among your values - you support trump and nothing more to be said other than

Author: jimbasil (54322 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:28 am on Mar 27, 2026
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you don't have American values

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

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