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The Hillbilly is in a lose lose predicament. But, … land da plane, JD!

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 12:23 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Excerpts:

Why Trump Chose Vance to Negotiate With Iran

There is no overlap between what America is demanding and what Iran is offering.

By Karim Sadjadpour

Donald Trump went to war intending to break Iran’s power. But $50 billion later, a deeply battered Islamic Republic is still standing, and with talks set to commence in Islamabad, the tables have turned. Although Trump had hoped to determine Iran’s future, Tehran may now determine his. Iran holds veto power over Trump’s legacy—and the political future of his vice president, J. D. Vance, who will lead the negotiations.

The significance of this war will be judged over decades, not weeks. But for now, the Islamic Republic is feeling triumphant. Three months ago, the global news story was about Tehran massacring its own people; today it is about Tehran successfully resisting America and Israel. Even if before the war, the United States and Israel sought to change Iran’s regime, what is being demanded now is not total surrender, but cooperation.

Iran discovered that its leverage is economic, rather than nuclear, extortion. Few countries feel directly threatened by an Iranian bomb, but most people around the world have felt the consequences of Iran’s closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a waterway through which flows nearly a quarter of the world’s seaborne oil and a fifth of its natural gas. Before the war, more than 100 vessels transited the strait daily; on April 8, just four ships passed through it. Desperation was the mother of Iran’s strategy.

The cease-fire is tenuous. Vance, meanwhile, arrives in Islamabad with the optimism of a newcomer to Middle East diplomacy. He has likened Iran’s enrichment of uranium to his wife having the right to skydive, noting that he does not want Usha to jump out of an airplane.

Both Trump and Tehran, for different reasons, have looked to Vance to end the war. White House reporters who speak with Trump regularly believe that he’s already moved on from the Iran war—recognizing that it’s a political loser—and doesn’t intend to return. When toppling the Iranian regime appeared within reach to him, Trump wanted the credit; now, sensing the war’s unpopularity, he is content to let Vance own the outcome. If a deal “doesn’t happen, I’m blaming J. D. Vance,” Trump recently joked.

Iran’s leaders have their own reasons to prefer Vance. They view him as the anti-war voice in MAGA—less sympathetic to Israel than Steve Witkoff, Trump’s special envoy to the Middle East, or Jared Kushner, his son-in-law—and highly motivated to resolve the conflict quickly, given his presidential ambitions. And if he reaches the highest office in the White House, he will be bound by whatever he signs in Islamabad.

Yet there is no overlap between what Trump is demanding and what Iran is offering. On every significant issue, the two sides are not negotiating over terms—they are negotiating over incompatible realities. Trump demands zero nuclear enrichment; Iran calls it a sovereign right. Trump demands that Iran abandon its proxies; Iran calls them “the heroic Islamic Resistance.” Trump demands that Iran suspend its use of ballistic missiles; Iran doesn’t mention them, because they are nonnegotiable. Trump offers sanctions relief as a reward; Iran demands their full removal as a baseline. Trump offers nothing on reparations; Iran demands payment for the war.

The Obama administration took nearly two years to negotiate a deal limited solely to Iran’s nuclear program. The Trump administration has two weeks to resolve the Strait of Hormuz, as well as Tehran’s nuclear, missile, and regional ambitions simultaneously. The best achievable outcome in Islamabad is not resolution but reversion—a cold conflict to replace a hot one.

Iran’s Supreme National Security Council has been brazenly candid about its objectives. In an official statement, it described the Islamabad talks as a ratification of a victory rather than a negotiation: “Within a maximum of 15 days, the details of Iran’s victory on the battlefield will also be cemented in political negotiations.” The cease-fire, it added, “does not mean the end of the war.” Vance is not flying to Islamabad to make a deal. He is flying there to hear Iran’s terms.

Trump and Vance now risk the same criticism that Republicans have leveled at Democrats for decades: Being overeager for a deal, the negotiators walk into the bazaar having already announced that they must have the rug.

The war significantly diminished Iran’s capabilities but hardened its intentions. Although Iranians have been mythologized as expert negotiators, driving a tough bargain is easy when you do not care about the consequences that your obstinacy inflicts on your own people. For two decades, Tehran’s ideology, and its insistence on uranium enrichment, has delivered neither nuclear energy nor a deterrent—and has cost Iran an estimated $1 trillion in sanctions, lost oil revenue, and now a devastating war. Uranium enrichment has impoverished national enrichment. Yet it is Trump’s presidency and Vance’s future that now depend on Iranian goodwill.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

Replies to: “The Hillbilly is in a lose lose predicament. But, … land da plane, JD!”


Thread Level: 2

You know who would've closed the deal? Beta Boy Blinken. I mean, look at his pedigree/credentials.

Author: MAS  (22413 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:04 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Credentials and experience getting things done. Give me Blinken and Hillary and I'd send them over lickety-split and I bet you they'd have a deal done in hours.

The biggest thing is to follow norms. We must conform to what has always been tried. Great leaders conform. I read that once. Maybe it was here, or maybe it was there, but I read it, and, dammit, it made sense. Do not deviate from norms, be it foreign policy or dreadful SCOTUS decisions from the past. Conform.


Thread Level: 3

Blinken and Biden failed to restart the JCPOA

Author: Chris94  (38599 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:02 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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Sure, Trump would have scuttled it again. But that was the alternative to war - and it achieved the main US goal.

And sure, the Iranians get a vote. And why would they want to make a deal with a country that had proven unreliable.

Still…it was one of the biggest failures of the Biden admin.


Thread Level: 4

Biden was running circles around the staff and no one could keep up with him.

Author: iairishcheeks  (29488 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:05 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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This is how the return of Trump happened.

Thread Level: 5

Just a few months before the JB/DJT debate...Trump never has and never will do better than Joe did..

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 7:24 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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in showing his command of the issues and ability to engage with others in meaningful dialogue. Claims to the contrary are pure political mudslinging. On his worst day, Biden was orders of magnitude better than what we are experiencing right before our eyes with Trump.





Thread Level: 4

B&B weren't successful, but at least they made some serious efforts toward that end in a very

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 3:40 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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challenging environment...no thanks to our previous President's malleability by foreign players, like Bibi and Vlad.

Link: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/biden-administration-responds-to-irans-offer-to-resume-nuclear-deal

Thread Level: 2

Vance should not be our lead negotiator

Author: Chris94  (38599 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:56 am on Apr 12, 2026
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He has no experience doing this. The Iranians do.

The other two fucktards are real estate developers.

No one in the US delegation has any understanding of nuclear weapons.

And hovering over all of it is the king of the morons, who thinks he is the best negotiator in the world.

We’re fucked.


Thread Level: 3

really should be you or someone from the intelligentsia

Author: WestCoastIrishFan  (16917 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:53 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Thread Level: 4

Has JD Vance ever attended the U.S. Naval War College?...much less taught at it, or the USNA for

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 9:39 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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many years? Just accept reality...JDV can't hold a candle to Chris' CV...and you are totally out of the conversation.

Thread Level: 4

A Professional.

Author: Frankx  (6323 Posts - Joined: Aug 23, 2017)
Posted at 1:18 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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Thread Level: 3

It appears negotiations were not fruitful.

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:03 am on Apr 12, 2026
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

I don’t understand why our delegation is leaving

Author: Chris94  (38599 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:28 am on Apr 12, 2026
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The negotiations that led to the JCPOA took 37 straight days (after 2 years of preliminary talks).

Trump (who is at a UFC fight) apparently thinks, since he is the king of negotiations, that we need to walk away in order to get a deal. Maybe restart some bombing, in order to step up the pressure.

I don’t see it working.


Thread Level: 5

It appears the US terms were unrealistic.

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:25 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Ali Gholhaki, a conservative analyst close to the Iranian government, said on social media that talks fell apart because the United States demanded zero enrichment, removal of nearly 900 pounds of stockpile uranium from the country and U.S. “management of the security of the Strait of Hormuz on their own terms.” Mr. Gholhaki said the United States also provided no commitment to end Israel’s bombing of Lebanon. “It seems the Americans didn’t come to negotiate!” he said.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 6

Hopefully it was just the opening gambit

Author: Chris94  (38599 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:29 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Trump seemed to want a surrender, not a compromise.

Thread Level: 7

Let’s hope the adults keep diplomatic talks alive. Cut a temporary deal.

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:14 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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Stop all bombing. Open the strait. Give Iran a financial cut of the ship traffic.

Then start the tough work to address the nuclear issue.

Don’t see any better path out of this shitshow.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 8

Bullet point #11: Women will be treated as property.

Author: iairishcheeks  (29488 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:26 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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The US and Israel will accept this, because otherwise there will be no free flow of oil through the strait.

Thread Level: 9

The United States had these things called “national interests”

Author: Chris94  (38599 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 8:10 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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And the plight of Iranian women is not near the top.

Of course we would like to see all Iranians be free.

But peaceful co-existence almost always serves US interests better.

Maybe you’d like to invade Iran and set their women free. Worked great in 2003, after all.

Maybe a third party could get it done.


Thread Level: 10

This sounds like an "America First" message.

Author: iairishcheeks  (29488 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 11:06 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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Thread Level: 7

I suspect the the Iranians are smarter and more adept at such things than DJT and his team of

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 4:44 am on Apr 12, 2026
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loyalists...plus they hold the 'Trump Card'...i.e. the Strait of Hormuz. Meanwhile, Putin is milking this for all it's worth...both near and long term. Also, now Bibi has an inkling of how Zelensky feels about U.S. 'Aid' under DJT.

We have so much work to do come 2027 and onwards, cleaning up this mess.


Thread Level: 8

Iranian's hold the Trump Card. Hmm, maybe not.

Author: JarHead4ND  (4393 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:26 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
Thread Level: 9

Let's see what kind of deal comes out of all this...sure hope we get IAEA inspectors back on Iranian

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 11:07 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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soil and control of those 900+ lbs of 60% enriched uranium they have produced since Trump tore up the JCPOA...you know...the deal we had worked so hard over two years to get.

Thread Level: 5

Because work is beneath Trump … and his voters.

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:10 am on Apr 12, 2026
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 6

Work gets in the way of DJT's golf, philandering and TV time...always has...always will...

Author: TyroneIrish  (24162 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 11:10 pm on Apr 12, 2026
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Thread Level: 4

🇬🇶 Happy Now?

Author: ColeyO  (12967 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:11 am on Apr 12, 2026
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Thread Level: 5

You are the one who voted for America to fail. Happy?

Author: conorlarkin  (22543 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:11 am on Apr 12, 2026
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

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