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Are you For or Against the Trump Arch being built?

Author: jimbasil  (54429 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)
Posted at 4:05 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Excerpts from NYTIMES

But I’m going to start today in Washington, D.C., where President Trump wants to build a huge arch.

A drawing of the proposed triumphal arch, which reads “One Nation Under God” and has a tall statue of an angel with wings, a torch, a crown and a shield.

Stand tall
A federal panel approved early designs for Trump’s 250-foot-tall triumphal arch yesterday. The decision was hardly a surprise: The committee members were all appointed by Trump. It doesn’t make the structure inevitable — a group of Vietnam veterans has already filed a lawsuit against it, and Congress might get involved — but the vote started a process that could dramatically change the skyline of the nation’s capital. The arch, and its height, are meant to commemorate America’s 250th anniversary.

The Commission of Fine Arts didn’t rubber-stamp the plan. One member suggested that it lose some lions (which are not native to the United States), the golden eagles on the viewing deck and a winged angel on top. There’ll be another vote down the line.

But the tone was largely laudatory. Before the vote, the panel’s chairman called the president’s idea “beautiful.” On the table in front of him, there was a black baseball hat reading “Make Design Great Again.”

A critic’s view
A size comparison of the proposed arch, the Lincoln Memorial, the White House and the Capitol building.
Marco Hernandez/The New York Times
Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, who presented the plan, said it “embodies American freedom, American unity, American strength and the American dream.”

I asked Michael Kimmelman, our architecture critic, about that. He was blunt:

If it really involves a human architect it’s the closest thing I’ve seen to someone purposefully trying to simulate A.I. slop. It’s an insult to veterans, blocking views of Arlington National Cemetery. It is what you come up with if you’re designing a monument to excess and narcissism.

Michael’s not a modernist snob. There’s nothing the matter with reviving the ideals of ancient Greek and Roman art, he told me. But “size is not the same thing as scale. Classical architecture isn’t a bunch of acanthus leaves and columns on a building.” It’s about proportion and judgment. “The expression of those principles is what conveys dignity and strength, not size and glitter,” he said.

He’s not alone. There’s been a lot of pushback on the design, including from the architecture critic who proposed it, The Times reported. And before yesterday’s vote, the panel received nearly 1,000 messages from the public. “One hundred percent of the comments were against the project,” one commissioner said.

Compare and contrast
A size comparison of the proposed arch and other extant arches around the world.
Marco Hernandez/The New York Times
One of the inspirations for the arch is the Arc de Triomphe, the neoclassical monument in Paris that Napoleon commissioned in 1806. Trump has said the goal was “to top it by, I think, a lot.” In fact, as my colleagues report, Trump’s arch would be bigger than nearly every other monumental arch across the globe. Look at the comparisons here.

Michael remembered another ambitious triumphal arch, also meant to outdo the Arc de Triomphe: the one that Adolf Hitler planned to raise in Berlin. It would have been more than 300 feet tall, covered with the names of the nearly two million Germans who died in World War I.

In 1941, construction began. The massive concrete cylinder at the monument’s base was so heavy that it sank into Berlin’s soft, sandy soil, and the project had to be abandoned unfinished. “The idea for the arch collapsed under the weight of its own megalomania,” Michael said.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk

Replies to: “Are you For or Against the Trump Arch being built?”


Thread Level: 2

Dictators love arches for some reason.

Author: Chris94  (38628 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:19 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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When asked what this was supposed to commemorate, Trump said - unsurprisingly - "me."

So yeah, I'm opposed.


Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/triumphal-arch-design-clears-hurdle-commission-fine-arts-rcna332233

Thread Level: 3

Whatabout dictators???

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 6:13 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Like the Washington Arch, dedicated to George Washington?

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:37 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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There are many non-dictator arches around the world, so your post is nonsense. There are better reasons to oppose this than your mere TDS. Personally, I would advocate for waiting to build it until the budget is balanced. But, I suppose if it is privately funded, then people can do whatever they want.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Washington_Square_by_Matthew_Bisanz.JPG

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Did Washington commission it, whataboutfucktard?

Author: Chris94  (38628 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:50 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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I see you get emotional when facts refute your personal political insanity. To answer you...

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:54 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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I suppose it was either Dictator Benjamin Harrison or Dictator Grover Cleveland who were the dictators of our country when that arch was built...to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the inauguration of Dictator George Washington.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Chris is an Arch enemy…

Author: TakethetrainKnute  (35184 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 6:48 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Dictator Teddy Roosevelt laid the first stone of the arch named after him.

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:53 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Can't believe we had a foul dictator like him in charge of the country.

https://art-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Roosevelt-Arch.jpg.webp

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Teddy Roosevelt was a 3rd party fucktard!

Author: iairishcheeks  (29504 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:56 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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I think Chris would have hated him even more than Trump.

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Another dictator's arch... (Dictator LBJ)

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:46 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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https://art-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Gateway-Arch.jpg.webp

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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New Yorkers love their arches. This one was built to honor those who fought slavery.

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:51 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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https://art-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Soldiers-and-Sailors-Arch-location.jpg.webp

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Stated differently, if you voted for Trump .... you worship false Gods.

Author: conorlarkin  (22560 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 4:47 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/worshipping-false-gods-robert-forrest.jpg

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree.

Author: Curly1918  (17724 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)
Posted at 4:40 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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I think it should read "One Nation Under Corporate Lobbyists".

Author: iairishcheeks  (29504 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 4:28 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Other than that, I don't care.

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knowing full well it will end up being paid for by US tax dollars

Author: jimbasil  (54429 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)
Posted at 4:41 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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I know how much you hate governments wasteful spending and big government

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Yes, I'd prefer if the Saudis paid for it

Author: iairishcheeks  (29504 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:22 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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"Funding Sources: While initially proposed as fully privately funded using surplus funds from the White House ballroom project, federal budget documents indicate that $15 million in taxpayer funds from the National Endowment for the Humanities are slated for the project, including $2 million for special initiatives and $13 million in matching funds."

Excuse me for not getting upset about $15M from whatever the "National Endowment for the Humanities" is.


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Defund the NEH.

Author: NedoftheHill  (46500 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 5:42 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I think that was Jim's line.

Author: iairishcheeks  (29504 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 5:57 pm on Apr 17, 2026
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