Who’s willing to admit at the end of the day the US will get no better than the JCPOA?
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Will definitely be better than JCPOA IF there is a deal. Want a bet? But "better than JCPOA" doesn't
mean U.S. (Trump) have achieved his objective - permanent dismantlement of Iran's nuclear weapons and doesn't mean Israel and neocon have achieved their goal - regime change. As a matter of fact, regime change failed and Iran hardliners now become stronger and Iran moderates become weaker as a result of this war. "Better than JCPOA" also doesn't mean it can recover the damage the war caused geopolitically and economically which is huge. For example Iran will definitely have a role in controlling strait of Hormuz in the future.
But merely in term of nuclear elements which is what JCPOA is about, the new 14-point US-Iran peace deal framework both sides agreed already reflects Iran's concessions. For example, JCPOA , with some restrictions, allowed Iran to continue its nuclear activities for peaceful, civilian energy. The 14-point US-Iran peace deal framework doesn't allow Iran any nuclear activities for certain years. Trump wants 20 years. Iran's offer is 5 years. The difference is subject to negotiation in next step. Let's say even the final result of negotiation is 5 years (I believe 10-12 years is more likely). This is still better than JCPOA. This is just one example of US-Iran 14-point framework.
The JCPOA was a painstaking yet successful achievement by Obama.
The best and the brightest helped craft it.
Trump blew it up for one reason: Obama made a joke about Trump at White House Correspondents Dinner.
US taxpayers and the world are now paying for the Child’s tantrum.
Raise your hand if you voted for Trump. Guess what, you are a horrible American and an even worse human being.
"Raise your hand if you voted for Trump." You still haven't recovered from the election 2024.
Unbelievable.
Not under the JCPOA
They were allowed to enrich to 3.67% and no further. LEU, not HEU. You can use the former for power production and other research-related stuff.
Then Trump canceled the JCPOA for no reason. Then, enrichment.
You put a lot of faith in the words of terrorist dictators.
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No I don't. Nothing in the JCPOA was based on trust.
The verification measures were extensive.
Verified by IAEA Nuclear Fuel Experts...on the ground in Iran...with the ability to conduct
environmental tests for indications of possible enrichment activity anywhere in the country. Iran was complying with the agreement...until Trump pulled the U.S. out...that's when the enrichment increased to 60%.
Oops - meant for the cheeks post below
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Iran has admitted to enriching uranium and the only reason to do that is for a weapon
So no, the pallet of cash strategy was a complete failure.
So djt wisely broke our agreement, the JCPOA and Iran started working on weapons grade uranium.
Yeah, it must have been their money returned to them that made them do it.
Some of that money went to Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.
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They were allowed to but under limited levels, not weapon levels. Otherwise I call BS...
if you think they are going to agree to a deal w/o any type of assets unfrozen you're bat shit cra cra!
If they like their bridges and power plants, they will agree to whatever we want.
And then resume enriching uranium on pursuit of a bomb.
Only way out of this permanently is regime change.
We will see what happens and for Chris below, yes the Dems might try to spin it.
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Are you willing to admit that we are already better off than just the JCPOA?
JCPOA + destruction of their nuclear facilities + destruction of much of their conventional power + destruction of their power projecting proxies such as Hamas & Hezbollah >> just JCPOA, right?
We can all look forward to the spin on that.
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Actually, neither of us should admit anything yet. Why don't we just wait and see before trying to turn this into a domestic political gain for an election?
You are absolutely correct.
I suspect the Iran fan boys are going to be greatly disappointed.
Uh, yea, except they now know they can bring the world to its knees.
There is a reason that Trump is about to back down.
Paging Dr. Spin...that's all you do. All this to get a JCPOA like agreement. While Americans pay
though the nose in gas, risking US lives in combat, etc. Go ahead and be proud of that "accomplishment".
If it is spin then surely you can identify specific points I made that you disagree with. And yet..,
...you don't do that. Assuming you are right and Trump gets a second JCPOA in place, how are we not better off now with all the other gains I listed?
Besides, wouldn't the first JCPOA have expired by now?...in which case Iran would have been free to develop a nuke? Obama just kicked the can down the road to Trump anyway.
But, don't worry. If the Democrats beat Vance or Rubio or whomever, they can always undermine what Trump accomplished. Do you support the US paying war reparations to Iran?
I’m looking forward to the spin
Leaks regarding the 1-page MOU make it sound pretty darn familiar - including billions in sanctions relief and unfrozen funds.
The great negotiator will hammer out an artful deal, a deal never seen before.
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We can probably assume he at least won't fund their terrorism.
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Well, we can all assume is he has made it far more than likely the US will be attacked within our
borders by Iranian terrorist groups or supporters of Iranian regime. Not only has he fired up the zealots he has also
broken down US security and intelligence. He has made sure the US is weak at our borders and ports.
Ha! The reports I have seen suggest bllions of unfrozen assets.
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Let's see if that happens. (Who froze these assets of which you speak?)
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