No questions allowed
But hey, I am truly sorry that your child was blown up because I'm incompetent, but did you know my son died from cancer? It's basically the same thing, so I feel your pain.
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The President just answered all questions. I have one for all the armchair experts on Afghanistan:
Can you kindly provide a link to your posts between February 2020 — August 2021, urging an expeditious vetting and processing of Afghan nationals requiring Visa permits, and further sounding the alarm to expedite our withdrawal before the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan.
Reverse planning is a result oriented proposition. When things go south (as happened here), it is easy to blame the planning and intelligence.
Bottom line is that Biden did not kick the can down the road. It was a clusterfuck. No doubt. But, not sure an exit from Afghanistan wouldn’t be chaotic.
Link: A brutally honest account of Afghanistan. By an Adult.
So you agree that Biden lied about this clusterfuck being “an extraordinary success”?
Regarding the calls for VISA’s, that is a managerial issue that the public was not made aware of, but which a POTUS and admin should certainly be.
New Open Board rule
You may not criticize a colossal, humiliating and entirely avoidable presidential foreign policy debacle until you can provide proof of criticism of a previous administration related to the same foreign policy issue.
So, the issue that I'm guilty of failing to post about slipped the President's mind when he decided
...to set the 8/31 deadline for its PR value? Slipped his mind on July 8th when he was assuring us how well this would go and that it wouldn't be another Saigon?
Where were the posters on July 8th to say that Biden was misspeaking? That chaos was the only possible outcome? Everyone seems to know that now...but refrained from posting about it then...
Biden stopped kicking the can on 8/31...but between July 8th and August 31st , he drove over it and left it flattened in the road.
The withdrawal was handled disastrously and dishonestly. We'll yet see what the consequences of that really are...
Link: CNN on Biden’s Afghanistan Nightmare: ‘If This Isn’t Failure, What Does Failure Look Like?’
And that is his major fault. But who left him with the poison pill of 2500 troops, a May 1 deadline
and no expediting of SIV’s for “terrorists”? He did the draw down after he lost the election knowing the country didn’t want more troops put in. He set up the whole shitshow and Biden blindly executed it.
I haven't excused Trump's part in this at any point, Biden was somehow able to change the May 1st
date...but he changed to 8/31 so he could grandstand with it on 9/11. (On a side note, I have grave concerns about this given the way the withdrawal played out and who is left in Afghanistan.).
Biden could also have introduced troops necessary to do this more securely but likely did not like the optics of that.
Both Trump and Biden saw that 70 -75% of people supported withdrawal and wanted to play it to political advantage.
I have never excused Trump but Biden oversaw the actual withdrawal. After the fact, he talked about knowing possible outcomes that transpired. If so, he should have been honest beforehand. He didn't come close.
I disliked Trump but I said that following him with Biden would not be a good thing. Thus far, it is worse than I had thought it would be...
This is a good analysis.
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With 2500 troops, not sure a 10/31 deadline would have been less of a LeapEx.
8/31 was set for political reasons.
President Biden’s proclamations in July have clearly been shattered, as he miscalculated how quickly the Afghan Government would collapse.
But given that we now know how fragile the Afghan military/government tuned out to be (even after 20 years of US support), an extended exit would have resulted in similar chaos. Should we have slowly and quietly started the withdrawal and movement of Afghans beginning in March 2020? In retrospect, yes.
Should we have done so with a reinforced US military presence? Yes.
But, keep in mind that the Afghans themselves and US citizens living there likewise felt no sense of urgency to leave.
I generally agree with this, however I'm not arguing for a perfect date. What I'm saying is that a
defense that the general public should have known the SIV status of Afghanis is not correct. The President knew, or should have known the SIV status of our Afghani partners and can't then set dates and make proclamations that we'll have them all out by 8/31.
We apparently got 8500 out...
Good post, but I doubt you realize we removed the Afghani’s Air Force capabilities which was the
real start of the collapse.
The mechanics and service crew for the planes was withdrawn first. The pilots could no longer safely take their planes up. The Taliban moved fast when the Afghani army’s best advantage was neutralized. That neutralization was the result of Biden admins inexplicable poor planning also. This mistake occurred in the early summer, and coincides exactly with the breathtaking collapse.
Why conor get it through your thick skull. They DON’T care what happened before 1/20.
It’s all Biden’s fault. That simple (minded).
It’s like saying all of the intelligence failures that led to 9/11 were Dubya’s fault when we know that many happened under his predecessor.
Because it has NOTHING to do with wha t Biden did.
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Presidential addresses don’t involve questions
Look it up if you don’t believe me.
Chris — you didn’t lose electric power?
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We did. Whole town did.
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But power is now restored?
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It's really hard to believe you didn't win the biggest
jackoff on the board award. Questy got game
Dissembling does not become an intelligent man. Biden cannot take questions and we all know it.
If he could, he would. He can’t!
The man has a dementia that gets worse every day.
There is zero evidence to refute this sad reality.
Saying he has dementia doesn’t make it so. How much older than you is he? The dissembling part
is true.
Age is irrelevant... RBG was sharp as a tack at a much older age.
The evidence for Biden's dementia is overwhelming, except for those who are blindly partisan.
You obviously have not been around those with even mild age related dementia.
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Saying he handled the withdrawal as well as it could be handled doesn't make it so either...
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Except I never said that. He didn’t. Just don’t pretend that what came before him would have.
Feckin hypocrites.
Where have I mentioned what came before him?
Feckin' obsessed idiot.
Whatever came before doesn't mean Biden isn't doing a shit job of things.
I said it of Trump when I thought so. Because you want to have blinders on doesn't make me a hypocrite....
Exactly the point
Any fair minded analysis looks at everything that happened to cause the problem. Biden’s sin which is his responsibility is that he doubled down on the high tail it out as fast as possible policy, no real plan for the consequences set in place at Doha. No one took into account that that the army and govt could immediately collapse. If that was foreseen, why did Trump draw down and leave Biden with 2,500 troops there? Following through on that and doubling down is clearly on Joe. I’m just tired of hearing those that supported that policy, raised no objection to it, are now on their horse over its failure. If that isn’t you, then fine. But the constant refrain of endless wars, we need to get out ASAP that the right ran on in the fall has now been replaced by look what happens when you do it this fast without proper planning, we abandoned our allies who by the way are terrorists that we don’t want over here, and we bear no responsibility for that. Complete BS. They supported it until it went to shit and they could blame their opponent.
No, it's actually not. Meaning I've never excused what's come before...neither Trump's actions nor
Biden's prior position as VP for 8 years and as a Senator who supported the war in Afghanistan.
Just like I never said Joe handled it as well as it could be handled.
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👍🏻 - All these Trump-loving fools think he could do no wrong.
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How so?
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Seems to hold for the Biden-loving tools as well.
Please go back and point out all the love I gave to Trump.
Criticism of Biden seems to provoke this knee-jerk reaction in the weak-minded.
No need to pretend, Trump actually had a plan.
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He’s taken questions for 50 years. He doesn’t fear the press.
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I wouldn't either if they asked me about ice cream.
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King Lear was ok for most of his reign...
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Ozymandias was the bomb...
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20 more years and he'll be even better. The 50 years is part of the problem... I'm sure HE doesn't
...fear the press. His advisers fear when he's gonna ramble, stumble, get snarky, etc. because he's...79 years old...
It doesn't take "dementia" for him to not be up to the task...and he's not...
Then why was the press there?
Are you just playing semantics here? I don’t know what differentiates an address from a speech from a press conference, but this is an extraordinary circumstance and people want answers. This wasn’t some Jimmy Carter fireside chat.
Lobbing bombs as he so callously did, and then running away, makes him appear even more detached and feckless.
Every president does this. And somber addresses like this one usually involve no questions.
Important moments are not usually cheapened but questions.
When Obama announced the Osama was dead, he took no questions. When Trump made remarks after the election he took no questions.
You guys are acting like this is crazy or cowardly.
It’s not.
Somber? He was loud and defiant.
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You can't whitewash befuddlement with a casual use of the word "somber."
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You call that performance somber?
Are you on the spectrum? Seriously, nobody would call that somber. It's his third address on this topic in like ten days. That tells us all we need to know about how much he has fucked it up. Our nation is in the hands of an incompetent imbecile.
We lost a war. So…yeah.
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And they didn't even have nukes or F-16s. Weird.
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Chris,if this is an"extraordinary success",are you praising Trump when you point your finger at him?
That's what Captain Applesauce called the Withdrawal today in his address.
Just incredible. Such hypocrites.
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Biden is clearing the path for a Republican sweep in 2022 and
a republican president in 2024. Perhaps some embarrassment on the national stage is alright.
You may be right about 2022. Don’t think so about 2024, if your favorite gets the nomination.
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Who’s my favorite?
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DeSantis you mean?
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That won't heal Frank's perpetual TDS. He'll continue to rail about it. He can't move on
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What a jerk.
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This is how he ran for the job, why would he change now?
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No questions needed
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Link: The war is over
Who will first to defend him: Qwesty, Tyrone, Chris, Frank ?
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First, they need there talking points to be fed to them.
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Says the guy who didn't give a shit about Afghanistan until this month.
War is over. Everyone should be pleased with that.
Says the guy who assured us everyone would get out.
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You are the winner.You just edged the others as the biggest jack off on the board. BTW, show
us where I never said I didn't give a shit about Afghanistan. You can't
I hope. I suspect we'll see these guys again soon.
As well as a host of other nutters given this humiliation. Why wouldn't you test this administration?
Hey, this administration can handle anything!...just not questions....
or withdrawals...or questions about withdrawals...
He is a career politician who has never been consequential on any matter in his lifetime unless he w
Was screwing something up
To say Biden owns the war is an understatement. He voted for the war and presided over it as VP for
8 years
That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for him.
Trying to brazen it out as if the rout was not a total shitshow. Will be interesting to see how the world takes that.
He’s a pussy
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Biden says the Afghanistan Withdrawal was "An extraordinary success". Even his bar isn't that low-l
lying mofo.
How's that compare to Baghdad Bob?
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The guy is a shameless liar
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NONSENSE! Lying requires scienter. He hasn't a clue.
The only thing keeping him in office is Kamala Harris.