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COVID super-immunity! Why we NEED to go maskless.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:59 am on Sep 8, 2021
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The trick seems to be combining the vaccine with a case of infection.

For the vast vast majority of those who've been vaccinated, the disease is no worse than a cold.

We are only prolonging our misery by freakishly living abnormal lives.

Of course, WE MUST CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE VACCINATION.


Link: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

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Loved this cuz it hits home.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60149 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:59 am on Sep 9, 2021
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Link: https://babylonbee.com/news/immune-system-criticized-as-anti-science

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Baron's sage advice...follow the advice of MIT researchers...wear masks...they really work...by an

Author: TyroneIrish (20688 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:41 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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'Order of Magnitude' when it comes to reducing the risk for transmissibility of COVID-19...(see attached link).

Link: https://www.pnas.org/content/118/17/e2018995118

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Vaccine + infection = possible ADE = You'll be sicker next time when you're exposed to same virus

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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From the data available, we've seen the opposite of ADE with CoVid.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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Meaning the risk of severe disease is reduced, not enhanced by getting CoVid post-vaxx.

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I said "next time", not this time. There're some infected vaccinated who show higher viral dose than

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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unvaccinated. That is not a good sign. Let's see how they fare NEXT time when they get infected again, either by same variant or a different variant. Of course people's immune systems are different, just like that people's fingerprints. Even if there is ADE, this doesn't mean every vaccinated definitely would have it.

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"Some" isn't a strong argument.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:15 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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The personal decision of "should I get vaccinated" should be a debate between doctors and patients. Unfortunately it's mostly happening on social media, where misinformation, conspiracy and anecdotal evidence abound. It's not good.

Based on all available data, risks of vaccination vs risks of getting CoVid while not vaccinated seem to make getting vaxxed the best choice for most people.

Now, we don't know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, I think it's a valid concern, but we also don't know the long term effects of being exposed to CoVid (with or without a vaccine). So I guess it's unknowns v unknowns on the long term. But in the short-term, getting vaxxed is generally the best choice.


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BTW, I don't really buy the popular point: the vaccines prevent hospitalizations from Delta variant

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:56 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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I believe many hospitalizations, especially from during June, July and August, were from pre-delta, i.e. caused by covid classic or alpha variant on which vaccines indeed work to a high degree. But our data is so messy and not transparent at all. It's hard to argue that this moment. But, the bottom line is, from the very beginning of pandemic until now, more 90% of infected are mild, don't need to be hospitalized. Our human immune system are the best "vaccine" in term of efficacy, responsible for 90% un-hospitalization.

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My counter argument was on Curly's idea: Get vaccine, then get infected, then you'll be worry free.

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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By following this route you will get back to a normal life. I understand he tried to get the best benefits from both vaccine and natural infection. But I don't think it is a good route. The reason? potential ADE.

As for "to get vaccine or not get vaccine", that's an easy question for me. Just look at the risk/benefits of getting vaccine. If you're in high risk group, say you are 70 years old, benefit of course is higher. Something like vaccine's long term effect won't meant too much to you, but risk in the short term of getting infect is high. It makes sense to get vaccinated for them.


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Odd now every time there's a spike in C19 it's when masks aren't being worn. When they're worn

Author: jimbasil (52719 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 1:38 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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C19 occurrences and hospitalizations go down almost immediately.

It's not just about being vaccinated, it's about stopping the virus completely. This virus has shown
it will mutate. It also becomes more dangerous. Therefore, even if you have the vaccinations for protection
and catch the virus, it may not be anything more than a bother but you've given it an opportunity to
change and become stronger. You will also give it to another person and the opportunity to change happens again
Then your vaccine becomes less and less of a protection. I don't know why this is so difficult to grasp.


Wear your mask. Stop the spread. Don't be the ignominious.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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There may be some data that supports your assertion, here's some that contradicts it.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:02 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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Link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1

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It doesn't appear to contradict anything I've said. It merely states, through no peer review masks

Author: jimbasil (52719 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:04 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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(cloth masks) do not in themselves predict a lower spread of C19. The medrxiv is not associated with Yale University as far as I could find.
The people who publish this stuff are graduates of Yale - maybe.

No conclusions.

CDC says, any barrier (a cloth mask) helps stop the droplets going from one person to the next.

The mistake here is the belief that a mask stops you from getting the virus. It stops you from spreading the virus
is what they do. Also social distancing is the other key.

But yes, one of the talking heads on TV noted, that mask wearing is associated with the drop in cases.

This has been noted from the outset over a year ago.


Wear a mask.


Link: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Your link isn't peer-reviewed either, because it's not even a study.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:34 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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And of course, as I've posted, peer review is increasingly worthless these days.

But, there should be money spent on determining whether masks help. The data is murky at best.

So far you've failed to make your case in re: "every time there's a spike in C19 it's when masks aren't being worn. "

"One of the talking heads noted...". Yeah, solid evidence.


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No it isn’t.

Author: jimbasil (52719 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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Let’s look at it this way.

In NYC people here started to not wear masks early summer, more cases of C19 reported, hospital stays more prevalent. City issues a mandate to wear masks, cases of C19 go down.

No peer reviewed but there appears to be something there.

Again - wearing a mask is to stop us from giving the virus to someone else. The more barriers for the virus to cross the better we are for it.

Even more important, stopping the spread so the virus can’t mutate is now a focus. Being vaccinated is just part of the battle.

Curly and the others don’t seem to want to accept that fact.

Stop the spread - wear a mask.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Heh, see Tttk's correlation of female pubic hair to temperature rise.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:01 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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I’ll ttk your word for it.

Author: jimbasil (52719 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 5:13 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Get your vaccine, and then live your life normally. Agree completely.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60149 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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Seems like the best course.

Author: iairishcheeks (27359 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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That Detroit water sure has some crazy chemicals in it.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:34 pm on Sep 8, 2021
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