As a long term RINO (ie. Paul Ryan Republican), I have long been aghast at Trumpmania. But the concerted media/elitist mindblowingly bigotted attack at our President today has nudged me to feel sympathy with his cause. I am beginning to suspect that the populist position that we cannot begin to negotiate with progressives is correct. Afterall , they categorized Paul Ryan as someone who would push grandma off the cliff. Maybe Limbaugh is right and we need to simply defeat those who are obessive/compulsive about having a central government (under their control) run our lives.
And the media seemed to gushing over the peaceful transfer of power; the Trump gesture of kindness to HRC at the luncheon was replayed several times, wonderful and nice CEO comments about the family, etc
After a while these become severely irritating
CNN: "One of the most radical inaugural speeches we've ever heard." (It was very similar to Obama's 2008 speech. I suspect CNN didn't say that in 2008.)
MSNBC's Chris Matthews: "When he said today, 'America first," it was not just a racial, er, I shouldn't say racial, rather a Hiterlerian background to it."
NBCNews: "I have to say, it was surprisingly divisive for an inaugural address."
ABCNews Terry Moran: "It carries with it overtones of 1930's anti-semitic movement saying we don't want to get involved in Europe's war, it's the Jews fault in Germany."
Bottom line, these news outlets are just making stuff up. They've decided that Trump is like Hitler, and they will lie about his speeches to make him look bad.
How so?
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Link: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigoted?s=t
Yep! That's exactly what I had in mind.
This has nothing to do with "creed, belief or opinion."
The fear that Trump generates is because of the threat he poses to this republic. Which is real, and if today is any indication, worse than we thought. That speech was a fucking abomination.
If you doubt this, or if you think this is all just liberal partisanship, I invite you to google GWB's speech and inauguration. It was the kind of lofty rhetoric that is traditional in inauguration speeches, and there was opposition...but not like this. There was disagreement, and disappointment (just like you felt in 2000 and 2008), but not fear.
It is important for all of us to realize that this is not normal. And dangerous.
There is a saying in political science that governments get the opposition that they deserve. Trump deserves everything he gets.
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You don't think that is something to be fearful about? This guy is a whack job, plain and simple.
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or are you two just being playful with one another?
I'm in the "acceptance" phase regarding the death of the nation. Anything positive that happens will be a pleasant surprise. (Mostly, I'm looking for delay at this point.)
I expect the two major party candidates to fall flat no matter what.
Trump is an unknown for me. He may fall flat. He may not.
But I got over my fear a long time ago.
I can't run the country. All I can do is do my duty to my family no matter how the country is run. I take solace and confidence from that.
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America first. Populism over globalism.
The left is outraged that Trump dared speak truths that make Obama (and W Bush to an only slightly lesser extent) look like they screwed up.
I particularly liked how he mentioned that the wealth of the middle class has been drained of trillions of dollars that has gone overseas and that we defend other countries borders but not our own. Our roads/bridges/airports etc are falling into disrepair while Obama's throws trillions more into a "stimulus package" that is gone with nothing to show for it. The money went to political special interests and the rich got richer. If that money were spent on infrastructure, we wouldn't have to be talking about spending another trillion now.
Trump meant his campaign promises. He intends to deliver on those promises - and he better. The real horror to the left and some of the right is that Trump is not being assimilated into the system like everyone else has. I am absolutely ecstatic about this.
The Western world is in a post labor intensive phase.
Labor intensive manufacturing doesn't cut it in this country.
That's not the fault of any politician.
Despite that we still have the largest GDP in the world at least until the trade wars start, our middle class is still among the richest in the world, and we are light years better off economically than we were in 08 in spite of Obama.
all you say is true but the middle class is in decline. DT is trying to stop that. maybe he will fail, maybe he is a fraud, but you know dam well HRC is a fraud.
What do we have to lose? nothing.
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shing wealth redistribution.
I am also against wealth redistribution, but that doesn't mean I support this dickhead.
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s? Perhaps not Somalia but a sad commentary on liberal policies.
NONE of our slums even remotely compare to places like that,
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If everyone would just shut up, and let him try to live up to his promises, his opposition might get their way--he may fail miserably. But, the anti-Trumpers can't help themselves.
Exactly. They are pushing those who want to be open minded more toward sympathy for Trump.
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I feel no need to commit to one of the two premature positions. I'm content to wait and see.
What I find to be humorous is that those people who are locked into their premature positions, they show such an utter lack of tolerance for any opinion that differs from their own (note I'm quoting from the definition of bigotted), that they think that I'm a big Trump supporter just because I'm not hysterical about this like they are (like you are). You may be right. I'll be the first to admit it if you are. Until then, I'm going to wait and see, and by "wait and see" I mean refrain from trying to sabotage anything he might do before he tries to do it. A lot of what he says he wants to do is good and legal. A lot of what he says he wants to do is getting the Dems to talk about the Constitution being a limiting document instead of a living breathing document, which is major progress. We don't yet know if these comments are opening negotiating positions, or his end goal come hell or high water. Thus, I wait and see. And, in the meantime, I watch you guys run around like Chicken Littles.
I have no plans to start a revolution. So, I choose not to lose my head (figuratively) in the meantime.
This well, I'm kinda for him, but I see where he could fail and in six months I may be with you is just wishy washy bullshit.
Admit you like him and think he's the right choice or that he isn't. I think it's pretty clear that you are a supporter as you defend him all the time. You ever see me defend HRC? Mine was truly a lesser of two evils pick. You like Trump and Trumpism, but just are afraid to admit it.
But, as I've pointed out, I didn't campaign for him; I didn't vote for him in the primary; I've never worn a Trump hat or put a sign in my yard; I've never donated money to his campaign; I never went to hear him speak. I feel no obligation to become a mindless supporter of him right now. I don't have to, and so I don't.
I do wish him the best, though, because he does say a lot of good things. Even you and Chris94 and the other anti-Trumpers cannot identify anything in particular that is bad in his inauguration speech. He has said some concerning things in the past. But, I do think that some of what he says are actually opening negotiating positions. He has shown nothing if not an ability to change his position in the heat of the fight...that can be a good thing.
Further note: I reset my expectations for Obama after his election. Even though I didn't vote for him, I decided to wait and see what "hope and change" meant. I had hope that it would be good change. Of course, on day one, he issued an executive order to fund abortions overseas. So, pretty much from the get go, he was telling me he would be an agent for bad change. I'm still waiting for Trump to do that. His speech yesterday was inocuous. It was basically the same as Obama's in 2009.
only he can solve. It was a typical, nationalist strong man speech. It was awful and divisive.
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they get control again, right? :)
Watching the Dems question a nominee on whether he avoided taxes (which he didn't) while they supported Geithner. I realized their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
They claim to be fearful of Trump, while they attack Trump supporters in the streets. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Thus, we must fight them like they fight us (absent the violence, of course). Push the limits, and make them push back. Make them try to save the Constitution for a change.
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But I'm not afraid to voice my view on whether he will or won't.
You want it both ways. You want a fallback position while still being able to say that you were with him from the start.
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I just recognize/believe that a lot of the things he said today need to be done, and it was refreshing to hear a politician recognize the real problems of our country for once.
I want him to succeed in most of what he says, and I want him to do it in a legal and constitutional way. But, I also want him to push the limits in the exact same way that Obama did (no more, no less...ok, maybe a little more) in support of conservative causes, like Obama did in favor of liberal causes. I want to hear the Democrats scream for the protection of the Constitution. I was always a Constitutional process guy. I would like to be again. We'll see.
you are far out to lunch.
And if you really are a Constitutional guy, why would you want your guy to do exactly what his predecessor did that you claim consistently violated the Constitution?
But whatevs. Enough for tonight. Talk to ya later Ned.
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I was always a process guy. Respect the Constitution no matter what. Some looked for a right leaning solution; some looked for a left leaning solution; I looked for a systemic, centrally fair, process-oriented fix. But, that strategy lost. Things have changed, and in recognition of that, I have changed.
For decades, I feel like the Right generally followed the Constitution (limiting document; intent; etc.), and the Left generally ignored the Constitution (living breathing document). The result was a gradual steering of the country towards the cliff on the left.
Thus, being a process guy is a losing proposition for a guy who wants a reasonable world for his kids to grow up in. I have to be a hard right advocate, pushing the limits, to even out the path of our national clown car, so that it goes straight overall, with both parties pulling the wheel to their side. If I just try to pull the wheel to the center, then the car will go over the cliff on the left.
That is why I'm willing to let Trump go for it. His election has totally changed many a liberal's tune about the Constitution. I suspect that many on the left are going to rediscover the Constitution, and that will be a good thing. In the meantime, maybe we will steer a little further away from that cliff.
are against it. Doesn't matter who is violating it.
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