the Kardashians have gotten more out of sex tape than Ron Jeremy - how many women are suddenly coming forward with cries of abuse. I'm not saying any of the woman weren't abused; I feel strongly EVERY accusation should be investigated, but it is interesting how many woman are throwing out accusations without naming names or visiting a police station. Blanket statements allow someone to jump on the bandwagon without being held accountable. In our social media world where everyone is guilty until proven innocent, I feel sorry for the innocent lumped in with the few.
It also makes me wonder what's the walk away point for an adult. When does an adult just decide it's not worth it...or is there always some sort of payoff allowing a person to justify his or her compliance? "I'm going to be on the walk of fame, so blowing this guy is worth it." "I'm going to have more money than my dreams, so I'll defraud my investors." To this point, I'm shocked how many A-list women turned a blind eye to abuse and hid behind a superiority complex seemingly with the understanding silence would get them what they really wanted.
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especially children. Whether it's Weinstein and any actress looking for a job, father on daughter, or Olympic gymnastics/swimming coach on child/teen athlete, there is a power relationship that enables an abuser to commit long term abuse. It's really not surprising at all.
Yes, some actresses may have been happy to spread their legs for a $5m payday, but most of the abuse was enabled by his position of authority and yes, he did indeed create victims out of these women.
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ides, he didn't have sexual relations with her.
Multiple women have accused him of harassment, assault and rape, including to the authorities, and yet the worst thing that happened to him was a censure over lying under oath about a blowjob. Why? Because he's in a position of power and the women aren't.
I love how you just summed up how asinine your position is in one of your own posts.
d, I don't really recall the facts other than the accusations were made long after the incident. It doesn't make it right, but it certainly makes a case harder to prove.
Many are nervous to bring things forward, I get that. But, and again you're conflating issues, my original post is simply noting that throwing out accusations without following it up is not right. It borders on slanderous, but the women are careful to just talk vaguely. Are some scared to comment more specifically? I'm sure they are. A listers have every right - I'll argue a moral right - to come forward with more facts if they truly were assaulted or abused, especially as a child.
to bring a larger issue of sexual harassment to light, something I think you would agree should be done with filthy Hollywood. But I'm sure they would be happy to know that you think there should be a statute of limitations on when someone can come forward. You didn't immediately go to that producer's company (even though he owned the company and you're just an aspiring actress that no one knows), tough shit lady! Should have gotten off your ass, risked ruining your career before it started and taken a stand against an incredibly powerful person.
And it's also nice to know that "A listers," however one defines them, aren't allowed to feel the same shame, insecurity and fragility as non-famous people when it comes to this topic. Suck it up, broads!
ere's not much people won't do to reach their dreams.
are truly assaulted..."
Your words exactly.
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But I'm sure they would be happy to know that you think there should be a statute of limitations (WHEN DID I EVER SAY THERE SHOULD BE A STATUTE OF LIMTIATIOS?) on when someone can come forward.
You didn't immediately go to that producer's company (even though he owned the company and you're just an aspiring actress that no one knows), tough shit lady! (WHEN DID I SAY THIS? IN FACT, I SAID THEY SHOULD COME FORWARD WHEN THEY CAN, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T JUST RANDOMLY THROW OUT ACCUSATIONS. THE ACCUSATIONS ARE NO LONGER ABOUT WEINSTEIN, THEY ARE NOW ABOUT THE INDUSTRY, INTIMATING ALL PRODUCERS ARE PIGS AND THAT NEARLY ALL ACTRESSES HAVE HAD TO BLOW A DISGUSTING STUDIO HEAD TO GET A JOB)
Should have gotten off your ass, risked ruining your career before it started and taken a stand against an incredibly powerful person. (I NEVER IMPLIED THIS. IF THEY WERE ASSAULTED OR WORSE, THEN, YES, THEY SHOULD COME FORWARD NOW. WHEN SOMEONE LIKE MERYL STREEPS SAYS SHE KNOWS IT GOES ON AND TURNED A BLIND EYE TO IT, THAT'S WRONG. SHE'S NO WORSE THAN THE ASSAULTERS.
you are implying there is a term for reporting or discussing harassment. Statute of limitations was my term.
They should come forward when they can. My point with that comment is it's the word of (generally) a young actress no one knows versus a powerful producer who, in many occasions, owns the company she would be coming to with the accusation. That's not nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Just come forward! You'll be fine! (Side note: you seem obsessed with blowjobs in this thread. It's about harassment more than abuse. Know and understand the difference.)
We agree completely on people that know it occurs and don't do anything. Although, without proof it would be slander if they named names and you don't like that. You can know it happens without proof. To the other side of the last point, once again, you are asking people to come forward against much more powerful people than themselves and risk their personal reputations in situations that are incredibly hard to prove.
the thread, if a women was harassed previously (as a kid or as an adult) and is now throwing out accusations without going to authorities, that is wrong. In fact, I can make the case those sorts of posts do more harm than good. A young impressionable actress may say, she didn't go, so I shouldn't either. I'm not saying there is a time limit on it; there shouldn't be. What's wrong is wrong, whether it happened years ago or 5 minutes ago. Am I saying it's easy, nope. Whistleblowing is hard. What I am saying is that the environment is receptive right now, so don't just throw it out there and not capitalize on it.
As for your last paragraph, it makes no sense. Some of the most powerful people in Hollywood with actual F-U money refuse to provide more details to authorities other than to say they know it goes one. That's shameful when such a moral issue is a stake and again proves my point and really perpetuates what has gone on...play the game and get rich and famous, who cares if you sold your soul.
So and so told me they were harassed/assaulted? Yeah, that's hearsay.
You calling people asinine is a stretch...
My point stands.
has merit.
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en are saying they experienced similar things at the hands of others but aren't saying whom. Hell, some of these are Oscar winners and should have no problem coming forward. This is a disservice to other women, and, frankly, anyone who could be the victim. That's the rub. It's in the same vein as the Rolling Stone article about UVA. Let's throw out an accusation and then leave up to you to prove us wrong. Is sex abuse prevalent at all studios or just Weinstein's? Most now just say all, but that may not be the case. Why shouldn't the entire curtain be pulled back given the issue at hand?
come forward and admit that?
In other words, the sex was rarely accomplished by force. It was, "have sex with me, and you win a $5m role." So she spreads her legs. Some would hardly call her a victim and others may even call her a prostitute. Those things are not going to be discussed publicly now.
I think we are now at the point where a woman should not have to sleep with her director for a role, but the past is the past, and will be buried.
she'd win her lawsuit. And, to be clear, I don't want to know about them. However, when an actress just randomly shoots out tweets and social posts that she was abused with no details, she's inviting some scrutiny. If she's mature enough to throw out the accusation, then she's mature enough to walk down to the police station or the DA and share her facts.
harassment victim? Especially when other actresses refused to do so?
I don't think she is, and this goes back to my reason for saying that actresses are staying quiet because the sex was consensual.
reason why our love for celebrity is so nauseating.
And if it does, it's still a he said/she said issue.
Jesus.
the police involved. Now, if it's a quid pro quo, the facts are harder to prove, but, as I've mentioned below, most legitimate companies take those accusations very seriously. One accusation may just get a slap on the wrist, two gets someone fired for cause.
Where do you work?
harassment to go on. You're reading way too many Rolling Stone articles and are way too far removed from what actually happens in a business setting. Maybe it's prevalent in some sort of bullshit small business, but it's not mainstream in large companies.
Most rapes are unreported. Why? The cops take them seriously. Why don't women report them?
And in the business setting the woman has to fight the power structure as well considering that's what this is really about and it's not like it's done by subordinate men to higher ranking women but the opposite.
shouldn't be investigated. I don't think it's right for a woman to just throw out very severe accusations - I was molested, I was raped, I was told to give a BJ to get a role - without taking the accusation to the authorities. Again, these accusations are being publicly made, they aren't private. A male doesn't just throw out he was molested by his priest for the whole world to read without be willing to go the extra step...or let's say he shouldn't.
And, btw, hundreds of men have done just that with priests.
You are helpless on this topic and you continue to refuse to say in which industry you work or have worked.
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This is a story of sexual assault and harassment. Leave it to random dudes on an internet site to turn it to something else.
Actress Joan Crawford, who got her start in the 1920s by dancing naked in arcade peep shows, only advanced her career by sleeping “with every male star at MGM — except Lassie,” quipped fierce rival Bette Davis.
According to ReelRundown.com, “Even at the peak of [Crawford’s] career, rumors continued to surface about how her loathed mother forced Crawford to work as a prostitute, make blue movies and sleep her way to the top.”
Actress Joan Collins, warned by Monroe about the “wolves” in Hollywood, also wrote in her memoir that she missed out on the title role in 1963’s “Cleopatra,” which went to Elizabeth Taylor, because she wouldn’t sleep with Buddy Adler, the head of 20th Century Fox.
“I had tested for ‘Cleopatra’ twice and was the front-runner,” she said. “He took me into his office and said, ‘You really want this part?’ And I said, ‘Yes. I really do.’ ‘Well,’ he said, ‘then all you have to do is be nice to me.’ It was a wonderful euphemism in the ’60s for you know what.
“But I couldn’t do that. In fact, I was rather wimpish, burst into tears and rushed out of his office.”
Do you think that was Adler's only time?
And he has post after post to prove it...
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But (a) that's not what any of this is about - it's about outright harassment and assault - and (b) in many cases the sex was likely assault.
It's a weird path to go down.
Because they feel embarrassed.
Because they are frightened a retribution from a fucked up system.
Why do you care if women come forward and don't name names? If they did, you would want proof anyway; proof that they likely couldn't provide. If you know any women that work in a professional context, ask them if they've ever endured even a hint of sexual harassment and the answer will likely be north of 90%. Hell, ask any woman period and it will be that high.
For some context, look up the recent comments from Terry Crews, a huge fucking dude that was sexually assaulted/harassed and didn't say anything.
has been no better time than now to come forward. And, it doesn't need to be announced publicly; the accusation and investigation should be handled privately.
There is not a legitimate company in the world that doesn't take these sorts of accusations very seriously, because the potential for massive lawsuits is huge. If anything, companies give them more credence then they often deserve. I've seen careers ruined for unsubstantiated accusations, because it's easier for a company to get rid of an employee than deal with a potential hostile workplace lawsuit.
I have no idea what industry you are in, but males are pretty much emasculated on day 1. I'm not saying sexual harassment doesn't exist, but it's not prevalent. There are other forms of harassment more prevalent yet less tangible.
And, finally, my question is really just when is a line drawn? What is a person's moral compass? That's always my problem with ethics classes college courses now make everyone take. This is the kind of stuff no one can really answer until they are faced with it. Do you lie to a customer make sure you hit a quota and maintain your job? It's always easy to answer that in a classroom setting. When you have a wife and a couple kids depending on you, things change.
Says the white dude on an internet message board. Yet there are millions of women talking about example online over the past week.
And how do you know that things aren't being handled privately? You wouldn't know that but you don't want that; you want it out in the open and you want details for some reason.
And we have proof from all of these Hollywood reports that they haven't taken reports seriously so you're point there is bullshit.
I have no idea what your last paragraph is supposed to mean. But keep going; you're a couple of posts away from "the bitches were asking for it."
mate companies don't put up with sexual harassment, as they shouldn't. And, I know they are not being handled privately, because they are all over the internet with their comments. I have no need or interest to know any of the facts or details. I do think if a woman has a true charge, she should file the complaint with the authorities rather than via facebook or twitter.
Who knows, maybe Hollywood is finally being exposed for the shithole that it is. I can tell you in fortune 500 companies outside the entertainment industry, this shit is a very rare occurrence.
There is no point in arguing with you. Go ask 10 women if they've been sexually harassed in a work setting and you will get more than half saying yes, and likely more than that.
Most rapes aren't reported to authorities. Why would something that isn't likely prosecutable going to be?
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Two highly regulated industries.
And my wife is in law and has experienced this personally.
I repeat: you're an idiot.
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My wife is an attorney and was routinely hit on and harassed when she was young and first practicing. She never reported it and made partner at what’s now one of the biggest firms in the nation. She did slug one of them though. He didn’t have the nerve to do anything about it.
I also defend plenty of the scumbags in federal litigation. Guarantee you the firms will circle the wagons around any rainmakers and will only fire them if they are completely forced.
These aren’t middle managers in retail that don’t matter types.
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the victims feel safer that they will be believed.
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