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I am getting my booster tomorrow. We have to do everything we can for our boomers. I mean look what we’ve contributed to the country. No?

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For all age groups older age of 30.

Of course they didn't say vaccine has negative efficacy for people of 30 or older and no any explanation was given. But from their raw data, It’s almost like the vaccines are fading not to a baseline of zero, but to a point of negative efficacy. UK started vaccine campaign earlier and faster than U.S. So, it's very likely they are ruining out of vaccine efficacy window earlier than us. Besides, UK data is much reliable and transparent than ours.

Give the link of the latest data published.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

You need to downkoad. Then, Check table 2 or figure 2 for data of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Then use the official vaccine efficacy formula

Efficacy = 1 - vaxxed case rate/ unvaxxed case rate.

to calculate efficacy. You will get negative efficacy for age groups except under 30.


Link: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

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When you're starting from 'near zero' hospitalizations and deaths, any increase looks large...nice cherry picking, btw. The evidence is clear...vaccination is the way to go...unless you addicted to 'Russian Roulette'.

Link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/idaho

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to the Johns Hopkins COVID Data Site which shows Vermont with a 3.12% 'Positivity Rate' (3.4% in Eli's linked article)...and, if you 'maneuver in that site, you can see that Idaho has a 78%+ 'Positivity Rate' for comparison...now I take it as fact that 'Cases' lead to 'Hospitalizations' and unfortunately 'Deaths'...what those rates are for Idaho, I didn't even guess...not sure what you think you saw...if it's the use of "-->" that confuses you, that just means "leads to the next level of illness"...not the same rate as the preceding one.

BTW, a 78% Positivity Rate is unconscionable...no wonder Idaho has had to offload patients to Spokane, WA...you'd think under those circumstances the "Patriots" in Coeur d'Alene would get vax'd if only to keep themselves from extinction.

As someone who has been vaccinated, and would get a booster if recommended, why don't you just join me in debunking Eli's effort to keep as many people as possible from doing the right and smart thing...getting Vax'd?

7-day covid death/hospitalization/case? You can not. If you don't want to thank vaccine for this fact, that's fine. No need to move goalpost.

as the dominant strain...for which the vaccines were not specifically designed...yet, the results show that they are still remarkably...and thankfully...very effective in keeping people out of hospitals and morgues.

Not sure what you're trying to prove, but encouraging people not to get vaccinated with your arguments isn't very effective....let's see where you head next.


Link: https://www.healthvermont.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/COVID19-Weekly-Data-Summary-10-8-2021.pdf

All what you are saying is very defensive, as if you were in the court being sued for failure of vaccine.

each year your flu shot is slightly different...the vaccine gets reformulated...and never 'perfectly'...it's the nature of "The Game"...the COVID vaccines didn't "Fail"...sorry to be so pedantic, but I see no other way of reaching you...and there's a limit to that avenue as well...especially when someone like yourself appears determined not to learn.

Almost like the science obsessed are cherry picking stats again.

Now I understand Why Collins, former head of NIH, a few days before he left the office, insisted everyone needs booster right after FDA panel reject this plan and Pfzer started 3rd shot talk when first 2-shot vaccine just began. They all knew vaccine efficacy fade by certain time, likely 6 months on average.

virus is calling the shots and our health community is working hard to keep up with it...right now it looks like booster shots...if things change dramatically, we'll need a new "formulation" perhaps...see the attached link for more on that.

I'm not sure if you're simply ignorant about all this, or purposefully trying to mess with folks...not that it matters on a message board, but still the fact that you don't educate yourself about something you post so often about is at least 'quizzical'.


Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00241-6

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context of his constant efforts to dissuade the use of vaccines...leads me to believe he was trying leave the impression that vaccines don't work...in reply, I noted another state with a very low vaccination rate and super high COVID cases...with the consequent overwhelming of it's hospital system requiring them to 'ship' patients to Washington state...hopefully leaving the impression that vaccines do indeed work...that's the overall context as I see it.

For more background, take a peek at the link I just provided Eli regarding all things 'COVID' in Vermont...I think you'll see that their vax rate will keep them from having to outsource health care to New York, New Hampshire or Massachusetts.

One other thing...the link I posted for 're-designing' of COVID vaccines is well worth reading...the way things are going, you'll be talking about this before too long.

Bottom line...it's all about the Delta variant and it's effect on vaccine strategy...darn pathogen...wish it hadn't changed on us so rapidly.

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