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demonstrates the folly of vaxxing kids....we're all waiting.

You need to prove to us why vaxxing healthy kids who are not at risk from COVID is so necessary. We are not obligated to disprove anything that isn't grounded in rational science.

Listen to them...read the linked CDC statement...then stop thinking you know more than they do.

Link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/planning/children.html

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I mean, they already had CoVid, so fuck off.

not that your best interests aren't being considered as well.

Now, back to the wisdom of vaccinating kids...do you have a more scientifically based plan that produces better overall results?

There needs to be compelling evidence to vaccinate children against a disease that isn't likely to harm them. And there needs to be assurances that this won't harm them in the long term (first do no harm), this is unknowable. And as I posted, that compelling evidence isn't there. This isn't about grandma or their aged teacher anymore, they all have the opportunity to get vaccinated. You just come up with bogeyman after bogeyman (now it's the next mutation) to try to evangelize for your religion.



And the idea that somehow we will eradicate this disease is completely unrealistic. I posted, maybe a year ago, how 40% of whitetail deer had the virus. This shit is likely never going away. And it's likely that everyone gets exposed.

And to bring up another point that Rogan and Gupta agreed on, we should have more availability of testing. We don't have to vaccinate people with antibodies or t cells. It doesn't help them at all, it's pointless since natural immunity is better than vaxx immunity. And then we could export more vaxx for the rest of the world. After having recovered from CoVid my kids are more protected and much less likely to be spreaders of Covid than if they got vaxxed.

But the grand irony is that you and your ilk don't seem real interested in determining the virus's origin. This is an opportunity to exercize authority, divide and conquer, virtue signal, etc. It's a religion and a bad one at that.

>From what I've posted and read...a stringent 'Risk/Benefit Analysis' had been done and the kid population is better off getting vaccinated, rather than risking long-term effects, and hospitalizations.
Contrary to what you might suspect, no one is designing "Boogeymen" at the CDC...they're doing their jobs...and a whole lot of them have kids too...that will definitely be vaccinated.

Remember...in the article I posted there were ZERO heart inflammation side effects for those 5-11 yrs old...our own G-kids in that age group will be vaccinated shortly.

>"Eradication?"...NO...I've posted the same view...our expectations are for COVID-19 to become "Endemic"...much like the 'Seasonal Flu'...we're not there yet, and a lot more vaccinations will go a long way toward that end...also...like the Flu, it wouldn't be surprising to find yearly 'Booster Shots' recommended.

>Couldn't agree more on the 'Testing' issue...forgive me, but Trump's fear of "Cases" caused him to block nearly all efforts at finding cheap, widely available testing methods...not sure why that's still a problem, but it is...that said, a recent report that I posted found that 'natural immunity' (i.e. from prior infection) is NOT better than the vaccines...pretty convincing actually, even though Mark doesn't agree...the considered opinion is that COVID survivors should be vaccinated...sorry about that.

>Unless you think Biden can send in Seal Team 6 to take over the Wuhan Lab and all its personnel for waterboarding and 'truth serum' injections, we're stonewalled by the CCP...I can guarantee you that everyone in the CDC, NIH/NIAID, WHO, etc...very much want to know the exact cause...please don't foment discord for no productive reason.

Before Trump, NO ONE ever acted like you and others have when it came to trusting in our CDC and NIH...these Docs are the same people who worked on SARS, MERS and Ebola, without one nasty accusation directed at them...what the heck happened??...Donald Trump happened...and as the quintessential narcissist, he did it all for himself, at the current cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and a democracy under siege...

"Implications of all the available evidence...

Although vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease and deaths from COVID-19, our findings suggest that vaccination is not sufficient to prevent transmission of the delta variant in household settings with prolonged exposures. Our findings highlight the importance of community studies to characterise the epidemiological phenotype of new SARS-CoV-2 variants in increasingly highly vaccinated populations. Continued public health and social measures to curb transmission of the delta variant remain important, even in vaccinated individuals."

Note the commentary on vaccination being "highly effective at preventing severe disease and deaths"...plus "Continued public health and social measures to curb transmission"...i.e. Masks and Social Distancing..."remain important, even in vaccinated individuals"...so, my reading of the report, while Delta is shown to be highly transmissible, vaccinations are essential in reducing severe disease and death...and, they marginally reduce transmission...good, but not great. With that in mind, you're surely not advising the public not to get vaccinated are you?...if for some reason your answer is "Yes", then what are the benefits you project?

As for the kids, check out the attached link from the respected journal "Nature"


Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02947-z

gotten sick enough to be hospitalized. I would want to avoid this. And the “unknown future consequences” is a crock of BS and a lazy argument if you look at the incidence of that with other vaxx’s.

So 22,000 kids have been hospitalized? More are hospitalized in a typical flu season, with greater mortality rates.

There is no reason to vaccinate children, much less the vast majority of people under 50. Our so-called health "experts" have thrown out all logic and reason based on data and facts and instead are letting fear and hysteria dictate their recommendations.

"Experts often possess more data than judgment" - Colin Powell.

My case was much worse, but didn't ever approach hospitalization.

The trouble with the 22K stat is that it's unknown how many were hospitalized for CoVid vs hospitalized for some other reason and also tested positive for CoVid. The death numbers are similarly murky.

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Some kids with health issues need the vaccine. But I am completely against mandating it. For most kids it doesn't make sense.

concern...and not only relegated to COVID-19...which is why all health organizations have been so anxious to get high vaccination rates.

Link: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/22586816/next-coronavirus-variant-delta-covid-19

Sure it’s a relatively low risk, but it’s still a risk and it’s not inconsequential. I also think that vaxx is a tried and true science that works, and the unknown future consequences thing is a BS cop out. I also agree with you on the mutation possibility.

Bottom line is unlike many of these characters here I trust our public health and medical experts. They aren’t perfect but I’ll take them well over the uninformed crappy from peeps like Rogan and the nutties here.

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This study says it won't.

What has been consistently clear is that children are extremely low risk with CoVid. Also, the long term vaccine risks are unknown, especially in children. Then you can add in the likelihood that many children probably already had CoVid with few if any symptoms, at least in areas where schools have been open.

“it might not make a huge difference at the population level if we are lucky enough just to stick with the Delta variant”, Shea says. But the data show that if a concerning variant were to emerge by mid-November, inoculating children could make a significant difference to the course of the pandemic in the United States (see ‘A kid effect’)."

By now, we should all know that COVID-19 mutates...constantly...it's what pathogens do...and the Nature report speaks to the value of vaccination for young kids in the eventuality of a newer variant beyond Delta.

As a side note...the very first vaccine was developed for Smallpox back in 1798...that's 223 years of accumulated medical knowledge...and our current CDC...WHO...etc., braintrust is recommending vaccinations for kids...what makes you want to go against the fund of knowledge?...your gut?...sorry, but you'll have to do better.

Back to the Lancet article...if you have a better plan than vaccinations, masks and social distancing...please share.

Finally, as I understand it, our goal is not to eradicate COVID-19, but to reduce it from a pandemic to a disease that is "endemic" to our environment...in any event, continued vaccination is essential...but I'm still open to that better plan of yours.

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Unless this post of yours is just a pause as you gather your thoughts.

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That's it in a nutshell...you've got an unsupported, gut-level feeling...that's all...no big mystery here.

Sanjay's argument for why young healthy people should get vaxxed was to prevent the spread of the virus. If this study is correct, there is no reason for young and healthy (emphasis on healthy) children to get vaxxed. This is the reason you are apparently impervious to.

Also from Sanjay, we won't know the long term effects of the virus until the passage of time. So, again, it's extremely low risk vs unknown risk. A responsible parent will always choose the former in that scenario.

the "Heart" of the matter (pardon the pun) when it comes to young kids...

"The FDA advisory panel voted in favour of approval on 26 October, on the basis of clinical-trial data showing that the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine is about 91% effective at preventing symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection in 5- to 11-year olds. Around 4,650 children participated in the trial; nearly two-thirds received vaccine doses that were one-third that of an adult jab (the others received a placebo). In a procedure similar to that used to vaccinate adults with the messenger RNA jab in the United States, kids received two doses, three weeks apart.

For the children tested, the data show that the vaccine is safe. mRNA-based vaccines have been linked to a very small risk of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, an inflammation of the lining around the heart, particularly in young men. BUT THERE WERE NO REPORTS OF EITHER CONDITION IN THE 5-TO 11 YEAR OLDS) involved in the trial, which is a very encouraging sign, says Andrew Pavia, chief of the division of paediatric infectious diseases at University of Utah Health in Salt Lake City. If the shot were distributed to a larger population, however, regulators would need to watch for any sign of the side effects, Pavia notes."

Also, your Lancet article clearly shows SOME ADVANTAGE for reducing transmissibility for vaccinated persons...and it supports vaccination especially for reducing hospitalizations and deaths...which IMO are the key metrics...do you disagree with that?

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vaxx’s in the past.

The risk/reward equation is VASTLY different for this age group. Any decision to extend the mandates in this way will UNDOUBTEDLY result in significant civil unrest.

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My guess is that you are talking out of your ass, influenced by Facebook morons and anti-American lunatics like Tucker Carlson.

There are 48,363,000 children under the age of 12 in the USA.
415 of them have died of covid.

I would call that a significantly different risk calculation than for the rest of the population. I think any reasonable person would. Not surprised you feel differently.


Link: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

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More kids probably choke on mcnuggets, let's get that to zero!

Rube.

Said absolutely nobody.

The number of healthy children who have died of CoVid is at or near zero. Hospitalizations among healthy children, also extremely rare.

But, again, it's not about science or data anymore.

That I have literally never ever watched Tucker Carlson...I never watch any cable news at all.

Oh, and I am not on Facebook.

TIA

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You rube, you.

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So I fully expect there will be attempts.

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Preventing bad outcomes is more important.

Plus this is one study. We will see what others say.

Vaccine mandates are coming to a school near you. Well, maybe not near you. But near people who live in rational America.

Pretty sure I live in a more rational place than you.

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In the rational world, we take extremely low risk over the unknown.