If we could go forward a decade and look back we would see that the pandemic was defeated naturally.
As to deaths... how many will there be in the future because we delayed allowing nature to take its course?
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
extend lives and even prevent such diseases?
Fortunately, your comments are considered laughable by the vast majority of humanity...but nonetheless, deserving of scorn.
We tax unhealthy behavior in some cases, but we don't normally say: if you don't quit smoking while eating cheeseburgers, you'll get fired.
We don't propose (as people here have) that if you don't stop smoking, you will not receive health care.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.". -
James Madison
In this case CoVid is the foreign enemy.
diseases we also take steps to ensure that as few people as possible become victims...if the seriousness of the situation gets to the point where the common good is severely threatened, then mandates have been authorized, as has occurred in the past...for instance the SCOTUS allowed 'Forced' vaccination in 1905 for Smallpox in Massachusetts, and an overwhelming number of localities have authorized mandatory vaccinations of kids for measles and other diseases...military personnel are mandated to get vaccinated with a whole host of vaccines depending on their deployment locations.
COVID-19 is another serious disease and will be managed with the same attention to the common good...fortunately, we have vaccines that are manifestly safe, low cost and easily accessible, so there's no difficulty in prescribing them to the population...and real time evidence proves it.
Not at all sure where you're headed with the James Madison rant, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to go there.
Question, when's the last time you got a smallpox booster?
As to James Madison, our country was founded on the principle of individual liberty, inalienable constitutional rights and a limited federal government.
...this sort of thing is not done without serious consideration, and in the case of COVID-19 with over 750,000 lives already lost, the use of mandates has very credible support...moreover, beyond the death toll, we have seen numerous instances of entire state HC systems being overwhelmed...IMO this is a threat to the "Common Good" and warrants the use of mandates if we have another surge.
As for "Healthy People"...we've seen reports of 40 yr olds in tip-top shape dying of COVID...not a lot, but emblematic of the inability to know who is and who isn't really "Healthy"...plus the Healthy ones can still become spreaders to the vulnerable ones...in short, when dealing with communicable diseases...EVERYONE needs to get vaccinated.
This is a Public Heath issue...not a political one...btw, I'll bet Madison's wife, Dolly, would have supported mandatory vaccinations for Yellow Fever, if they were available.
to when you post flu stats as a comparison to C19 numbers.
Never fails.
intervention...what's your stance?
if you ask me. The data I saw is pointing to this direction.
I against mass vaccination as a policy and personally I am skeptical on vaccine's effectiveness and safety. But the reality is most people already got vaxed and their vaccine protection is waning everyday. They need booster for this winter.
Don't know why you keep asking me for stance even my posts have always been straightforward on my stance without nonsense, very binary and of course very unacceptable to you.
No one is suggesting we should do nothing... just that we should not do what is unnecessary.
And yes... in the end COVID will be vanquished by the human immune system.
for those covid-recovered people with certain natural immunity. Let's do it.
I don't really think you agree with Primum non nocere.
The hundreds of thousands of vulnerable folk would be wise to get jabbed... and boosted... probably for the rest of their lives... because COVID will be circulating until the species achieves natural immunity.
So it's just a case of public safety.
That being said the numbers are proof that stopping a corona virus is pretty much impossible.
Oh! And it is zero for young professional unvaxed athletes and children.
a common cold could be life threatening.
As for the athletes and kids...the numbers are very low, but not zero...however, they CAN and WILL become spreaders to those who are vulnerable, who number in the tens of millions...so there's that...in case you were too self-centered to notice.
But if the vulnerable want to get weekly boosters, I am good with that. Also, they shouldn't be around kids right now, vaccinated or unvaccinated, so probably a moot point.
been advertised as perfect...if we can get enough folks vaccinated...and realize an oral treatment like Pfizer's...we could be in pretty good shape in 2022...then Baron can find some other sinister plot being perpetrated by those 'Dastardly Dems' ;-).
Link: https://www.outkick.com/boosters-forever-hooray-for-stock-owners-in-government-positions/
Lots of folks were asymptomatic to begin with and many of the weakest died last year.
I don't think these "vaccines" are effective at all.
